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Is This The Standard 1861 Half Penny?

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Just came across this fairly attractive 1861 halfpenny in one of my "unresearched" boxes, meaning coins I haven't looked at in over 35 years.

I'm not detecting indicators of any of the known varieties, so for now I'm presuming that this is the common plain-vanilla 1861.

Conmfirmation, anyone? Many thanks in advance!


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I'm not an expert on the Bun Halfpenny varieties - just getting one example of every date in Fine or better condition is quite an achievement - but yours looks pretty normal to me and is in exceptional condition for one of these coins. They worked hard for a living and most of the ones you see are extremely worn. I think this series is greatly underappreciated and greatly undervalued - just try looking for problem-free Fine specimens of any date. I think part of the reason is that collectors prefer the bigger, more glamorous pennies, which have been studied more thoroughly for varieties by Peck, Freeman and others.
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I know this is an old thread ,but want to reply. It seems to be a Freeman obverse 4 reverse G, rarity R13 according to freeman, but it could be more or less now.
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Rob & Safi -- My thanks to both of you for your input on this, I've never collected Britain by date, so particular die characteristics have escaped me entirely. (Now I'll have to see if I can figure out what Freeman's R13 means.)

Safi, the thread is only four days old! I know things move fast around here, but...



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Quoth the jbuck:

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Probably reading it as DD/MM/YYYY versus MM/DD/YYYY.

Ahhhh...of course!
Sorry, Safi...gotta work on my cross-cultural sensitivity profile, I guess.



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Now I'll have to see if I can figure out what Freeman's R13 means.


I was curious myself, so Google provided an answer:

R20 = Believed unique
R19 = 2 to 5
R18 = 6 to 15
R17 = 16 to 50
R16 = 51 to 100
R15 = 101 to 250
R14 = 251 to 500
R13 = 501 to 1,000
R12 = 1,001 to 2,000
R11 = 2,001 to 3,500
R10 = 3,501 to 7,000
R9 = 7,001 to 12,000
R8 = 12,001 to 20,000
R7 = 20,001 to 30,000
R6 = 30,001 to 50,000
R5 = 50,001 to 100,000
R4 = 100,001 to 200,000
R3 = 200,001 to 350,000
R2 = 350,001 to 650,000
R = 650,000 to 1 million
N = 1 to 2 million
C = 2 to 3 million
C2 = 3 to 5 million
C3 = 5 to 6 million
C4 = 6 to 7.5 million
C5 = 7.5 to 10 million
C6 = 10 to 12.5 million
C7 = 12.5 to 15 million
C8 = 15 to 17.5 million
C9 = 17.5 to 20 million
C10 = 20 to 25 million
C11 = 25 to 30 million
C12 = 30 to 35 million
C13 = 35 to 40 million
C14 = 40 to 45 million
C15 = 45 to 50 million
C16 = 50 to 60 million
C17 = 60 to 75 million
C18 = 75 to 100 million
C19 = 100 to 150 million
C20 = Over 150 million
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So sorry guys, sometimes I think my brain just does not compute
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So sorry guys, sometimes I think my brain just does not compute
We have all been there. Do not sweat it.
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Safi, me too, obviously, but I find that sometimes more coffee helps!


And thank you, nickelsearcher -- very interesting! With over 8.5 million struck in all flavors I'm not very comfortable asserting that my bog-standard farthing is that scarce, but who am I to question Freeman, right?




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I find that sometimes more coffee helps!
Or, if you prefer as I do, more tea. English Breakfast in the morning, Luzianne in the afternoon.
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