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I sent the coin owner a little note wondering if She was
getting any slack from bidders and sure enough She was.
I mentioned to her what was said on here and also for her to
come on by and take a look and even join the forum. I explained to her
what the error type was and mentioned there were experts here that could verify it. She seems genuine and will probably join up.
Good I hope she/he does join up. This is listed as a small date but it doesn't look like one to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/Uncirculated-19...nt_W0QQitemZ180423429445QQihZ008QQcategoryZ31373QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m444QQ_trkparmsZalgo=CRX&its=C%252BS&itu=SI%252BUA%252BLM%252BLA&otn=5&ps=63 |
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O.K., much apologies to everyone!  With so many garage fakes of these made, how does one know if the error is real without a slab?  It's just faked so much, I jumped the gun...another reason for a guy like me to avoid ebay at all costs! |
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A slab is no guarantee of a correct diagnosis. In fact, slab labels are notoriously inaccurate when they concern errors that are rare, novel, compound, complex, or subtle. You'll also find that each of the major grading services encapsulates the occasional fake. Thankfully, this is not a common occurrence.
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Another question, how does an incluse occur when the dies are made just the opposite? Did someone make a "reverse" die?
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Your question is incoherent. Please try again.
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O.K., when a coin is minted, devices are raised, not indented. How is it possible for the devices on this error to be so? Is there a reverse die somewhere?
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Pillar of the Community
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The obverse die is completely normal. That's why you can see a normal raised image beneath the incuse design elements. The incuse design elements themselves are produced when a late-stage obverse die cap shifts position. The metal that had previously molded itself to the recesses of the die now reverses direction and is driven into the planchet. This is most likely due to the fact that the metal in the recesses is slightly thicker than the metal covering the field.
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Quote:rockdude Good I hope she/he does join up. This is listed as a small date but it doesn't look like one to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/Uncirculated-19...D5&ps=63 Yes and I noticed when I was going through her feedback 2 previous sales of 70S small dates didn't look small to me (not an expert). Buyers didn't seem to notice as they left pos feedback about the coins. Kie |
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The coin is for sure a real deal error, as stated above.
I also know the seller is selling 2-1970-S Small date cents, they are not small date cents. I am not an "error expert" but I have the error experience to know better, I also collect some very sweet error coins, cents mostly.....Good call Mike, if some did not see your "approval" there would be a misjudged coin.. I would venture to say once the coin was struck, the coin was loose in the collar and rotated and again was struck with the (hammer die) the Obverse die. I just am not sure how after the 2nd strike, how the Reverse die did not re-strike too? Mike, maybe you could, in your infinite wisdom in this area, please possibly explain, this is just my opinion....
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The auction coin was struck only once. It is the die cap that became dislodged prior to the strike.
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Mike,
You mean to say the actual die face was not attached to the die as it should of been, prior to the strike?
Could you please explain, I do not follow how this coin was struck "once', Thanking you in advance, Mike...
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The obverse die was normal and intact. The obverse die cap came loose, rotated and was struck into the next planchet (the auction coin). Simple as that.
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I have to admit some strike errors are hard to visualize, so the explanation helps a lot--thanks!  |
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Thanks for the explaination and education everyone! I will not be so quick in the future to jump to conclusions just based on prior bad experience! Hope everyone forgives the new guy for the mistake... . I still have a lot to learn! |
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I looked at the coin and drew the same conclusion that Mike did. It is a genuine and fairly unusual error.
Thanks,
Bill
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