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I can agree with everything said. Still, lets assume you save a $1,000 in copper cents. Storage is an issue, that is a lot of room and weight. Next is the smell. My wife has a nose you would not believe. Have you ever stuck your nose close to a bucket with coins in it? I have to wonder what a mountain of cents will smell like after a period of time. Now, lets assume that you eventually can sell them for melt. How many trips and how much gas money will you spend to sell them and your time has to be worth something. For those who think that they will find them appreciating after the melt starts, consider how many people are doing the exact same thing. Just how much can you make vs the cost of the process. It would seem to me that buying a 1909-S VDB with the same money would; 1- be a much better investment, 2- be much more enjoyable as you can look at and appreciate having something that is truly valuable, 3- looks great in the collection and gives you the satisfaction of coming closer to completing the set, and 4- does not warp the floor boards. Understand, I roll search and started saving coppers many months ago and finally realized the folly in it for me and took about $600 worth to the bank and bought a number of coins I need for sets. Personally, I realized I was saving them to feed my addiction that includes the idea that more is better. For that very reason, I am going thru my duplicates and getting ready to sell a lot of them. Just how many 1909 and 1909 VDB cents in 4 to 15 grade do I need. I know that I have over 100. Not picking on anyone is saving them, just my thoughts. Jim 
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Quote: Someone said, a long time ago, that they were saving copper cents, not to sell them to be melted, but to have them after everyone else melts all of theirs down... I think jbuck may have said that, although I can't remember for sure... Maybe, but I cannot find it! However, I do know that BadThad alluded to it here and here.
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Hey! Jbuck, you found that old thread I was looking for!  I believe that second link was what I was talkin about. Thanks!
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Pillar of the Community
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A) You won't get spot when you sell it B) You'll have to pay a fee for melting C) You will likely have to spend money to hire a truck or large pickup to transport them to the melting place. D) You would need to hoard a lot of them to really make any kind of money on a net basis after all your expenses. E) Who knows how long it will take before it is actually legal to melt them!
Edited by Gothic Florin 01/20/2010 11:35 am
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Another thing I have, in the back of my head, is that whenever I have kids, it will be nice to have a bunch of rolls of circulated coins for them to search through, should they be interested in coins. I kinda doubt there will be as many "old coins" in circulation 10 or 20 years from now. So, while technically I'm saving copper cents because they are copper, I don't really plan on selling them (even for 2 cents each) anytime soon.
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Quote: Hey! Jbuck, you found that old thread I was looking for! You are very welcome! Quote: ... is that whenever I have kids, it will be nice to have a bunch of rolls of circulated coins for them to search through... I feel the same way about the copper cent and nickel hoards that I am building; they are going to be for my son if he takes interest in the hobby. 
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My dad always said "Man I wish I would've kept that" or "I wish I had taken better care of this" or "I wish I never let my 'friend' drive my '67 Camaro." So I take that as advice, therefore I'm going to keep some things, take care of some things, and NOT let my 'friend' drive MY '94 Camaro.  Sorry, I'm digressing a bit, but there's a good point in there somewhere.  Oh wow...spell-check highlighted Camaro and the first recommendation was 'Camry'! 
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Quote: Sorry, I'm digressing a bit, but there's a good point in there somewhere There is. Thanks to you father's advice, you are thinking ahead and not about the quick score.  Quote:Oh wow...spell-check highlighted Camaro and the first recommendation was 'Camry'!  D'oh!  Mine suggested 'camaraderie' as the first choice. 
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Quote: Having been MIA for a while, I maybe out of touch but is it not still illegal to melt cents for copper? If so, what good does it do to weigh the floor down with coins. Or, has something happened I am not aware of? From 1964 to 1971 it was illegal to melt silver coins so I imagine everyone who hoarded all those silver coins out of circulation were pretty foolish too weren't they? A) You won't get spot when you sell it True but who pays spot for silver or gold? B) You'll have to pay a fee for melting Not true. You don't pay a melting fee for silver of gold when you sell it do you? That has been figured into the price the smelter pays. You would only pay a melting fee if you are having them melted and then returned to you. C) You will likely have to spend money to hire a truck or large pickup to transport them to the melting place. Possibly. So hire a large truck and buy up everyone elses cents at a small discount so you can haul in a BIG load and make money that way. D) You would need to hoard a lot of them to really make any kind of money on a net basis after all your expenses. Maybe, see above. It also depends on how quickly copper goes up. The chart above shows roughly a 100% incrase in the past year. What else has show a 100% per annum return on investment this year? E) Who knows how long it will take before it is actually legal to melt them! Just means more time to hoard even more of them. Consider this. During the time period when melting silver coins was illegal the premium of the metal value over face was a fraction of the face value. If you had waited until the metal value of the silver coins was twice that of the face value (Which is where the copper is today) you would have started your hoarding around 1971 to 1972 by which time 98% of the silver had already been pulled out of circulation. Today the copper value is twice face, and only 25% of the cents in circulation are still copper and dropping. If you wait until the premium is "significant" and it is worthwhile to hoard them, you may find that most of the copper cents are already gone.
Edited by Conder101 01/20/2010 2:19 pm
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Why does a copper bar on ebay sell for so much more than the spot price of copper?
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Conder -
I appreciate your points, but you also have to remember that silver is a precious metal and 90% of silver mined has been used up in industrial processes, and cannot be reclaimed as easily as something like copper. As history will tell us, when the price of something goes up 100% in a year, it's usually in for a downtown. (think real estate, tech bubble, Dutch tulip bulb craze etc). With a slow economic recovery I really don't see a huge amount more upside on copper.
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been hording copper from box searches for over a year. I have saved 5 big Pickle jugs worth. Wife thinks I'm a tard but I just keep telling her to wait. One of these days my efforts on one of these coin things will work out.
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For those of you with negativity towards saving copper Memorial cents...this $25.00 box is currently at $51.15 (plus a 5% handling fee plus shipping). So what if they can't be melted legally...they still can be sold for profit! http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auction...5748098.html
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I would like to sell mine at that price. Who is buying?
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