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People Placeing Bids After An Auction Ends! A Suggestion!

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 Posted 02/18/2010  01:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am very much into searching/locating coins and currency, for that reason I use the forums own auction sites to search out some coinage and such.

I have spent literally thousands of dollars on this site and over all am very pleased.I also met some very nice, kind everyday folks and enjoy the entire process.

I once in a while have a problem, lately I have been bidding on Morgan silver dollars, with one seller in the active auctions arena.I over the last week have placed a dozen bids and won most,which makes me happy, until last night there were bids ending at 9pm, 9:05 pm, and 9:10 pm.

I placed my bids a few moments before the auctions ended, I mean a few seconds before, I wanted these coins, like some others, but the others, who bid earlier, were no where to be found, but this "other bidder" was bidding also.

I was trying to win these 3-coins so as I said I placed my bids seconds before the posted auctions ended, after the auctions ended I noticed another person, the "other bidder" placed bids on each of these auctions, well after the auctions ended(I know how much after because I bid seconds before they ended) to my surprise he entered his bids before the next minute was up and he came up as the winner,on the auction board in 2 out of the 3 auctions.

I was very put off and realized this was a reality, he did this past the ending time, and the posted time for him was that minute the auction ended.What I mean is that if you place a bid at 9:00 and 25 seconds, the clock comes up that the bid was placed at 9:00, it does not account for the seconds, in this case many, many seconds.In one instance, the "other bidder" saw my bid, mind you a few seconds before the auction ended I bid, and he bid just a little more than I, now how does that happen!!

I wrote to the forum MOM and DAD and expressed my concerns and hope things will work out, in the meantime I received a PM from the seller who told me he did not think the "other bidder made it in time" and he wrote to the forum DAD for an official ruling, and that he could not do anything till he heard from the forum DAD.

He knew the "other bidder" did not make it and he did not know what to do?I will await what I hope everyone will see to be the truth about what I am saying, this can not be acceptable.

I checked the rules about the auctions and found nothing about the time in which the bids must be in, I can not imagine, people being allowed to place bids well past the posted time, but before the next minute, and people who posted before or just at the time posted do not win, I do not know the ruling as of this letter, but to all who do bid, from my E-Bay experiences, last few seconds count, not past the ticking clock though, that is the difference between E-Bay and this forum, on the Bay the clock stops and ALL see who won, here, the clock keeps ticking and some people will try anything to achieve personal gains.

I am awaiting the official answer on this topic, but have an idea for the active auction site, so this topic never rears its ugly, slippery head again, why not place a second hand time in the winners box stating exactly what time the bid was placed and in this way, never again would anyone place a bid after the posted ending time and have any question as to just who won the auction.Be well to all, Mike...
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 Posted 02/18/2010  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Admin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What I mean is that if you place a bid at 9:00 and 25 seconds, the clock comes up that the bid was placed at 9:00, it does not account for the seconds,


You don't need to account for seconds. If the auction ends at 9:00:00, then a bid placed at 9:00:00 was placed when the auction was ended and does not count. The post time must say 8:59 (which accounts for 8:59:00 through 8:59:59) or earlier. There is no gray area.
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 Posted 02/18/2010  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like there was a ruling made on this. Congrats!
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 Posted 02/18/2010  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well.. it also could mean MD did NOT win, since *his* bids were placed after 9:00:00. That's actually happened on a few other auctions here recently. I noticed it before but it wasn't my auction, so I didn't ask.
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 Posted 02/18/2010  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the record, MD's bid post timestamps for the auctions in question show as one minute before the official auction end time.
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 Posted 02/18/2010  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes the facts do come up and for all to see, Thanks for the support and to the ADMIN: Keep up the good work, Thanks again, be well, Mike...
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 Posted 02/18/2010  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Thanks for clearing it the rest of the way up, jbuck.

MD, the seller may have been confused because the next one after you showed up with a timestamp *right at* the ending time. He may have seen auctions won with this tactic previously. It was wise of him to ask to make sure (whether prompted by a potential winning bidder or not), as now we have an official ruling.

It also may have been a new situation for him, never having had snipers go bananas in the last few seconds on his auctions here I'm sure your topic has cleared up any confusion, though, for the future. Perhaps this should be specified in the auction rules so everyone is clear?
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 Posted 02/18/2010  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I dont understand your comments about me bidding well after auctions end. If you consider 1 and 4 seconds "well after the auctions ended" then you dont know anything about online bidding. Its called a snipe bid. Yes, I was bidding for the same coins, since I though they were a bargan at what you had gotten the previous ones at and was trying to out bid you. Personally I resent that you say that I "try anything to achieve personal gains". I was bidding against you and the clock. Does it steam me I missed the auction on a coin I really wanted, yes. But thats the nature of online bidding. There does need to be a revamp of the auction forum, atleast to display the seconds on a bid. Also the second coin I bid on I placed my bid well before the end (10 seconds) and the time displayed is off. Not sure if it takes that long to register but I was watching the forum clock when I placed it. But thats the way this works, so I will deal with it.

I lost, you won. Congrats. Next time I wont wait to bid.


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Well.. it also could mean MD did NOT win, since *his* bids were placed after 9:00:00. That's actually happened on a few other auctions here recently. I noticed it before but it wasn't my auction, so I didn't ask.


I noticed this too.
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 Posted 02/18/2010  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There does need to be a revamp of the auction forum, atleast to display the seconds on a bid.
No there does not because what the Admin posted is clear. If MD posted at 8:59:58 and you posted at 8:59:59, both posts will show 8:59, however your post would come after his, meaning you were the last legitimate bid.


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Also the second coin I bid on I placed my bid well before the end (10 seconds) and the time displayed is off. Not sure if it takes that long to register but I was watching the forum clock when I placed it. But thats the way this works, so I will deal with it.
Unfortunately this is the reality; there are many points at which your transmission could be delayed.

If sniping were that easy, everyone would do it.
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 Posted 02/18/2010  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Admin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There will not be a revamp of the auction section. It's not needed. If it's too difficult for a member to understand when an auction ends, or that the internet does not run at a universal constant speed, then that member shouldn't use it. Use the paid auction service that ebay provides instead.

Debate closed. I win.
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