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Quote:At a minimum, it is against ebay policy. And possibly illegal for ebay to host the auction, since they do business in Canada. Pertinent passage from a press release posted on another board (not an official source): Quote:Upon receipt of the RCNA complaint, the RCMP immediately notified ebay representatives, at their Headquarters in San Jose, California, and informed them of the situation. Upon consultation with the RCMP, ebay cooperated fully with the RCMP's request to remove all current listings from the Canada and USA sites. They have agreed to amend their Currency Policy, banning the sale of any replica versions of all Canadian and Newfoundland coins dating from 1858 onward on its ebay.com and ebay.com websites. That's from here: http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php...wtopic=24362 but it's the only place I could find it. A couple of other places that talk about it: http://money.canoe.ca/money/busines...-025811.htmlhttp://www.canadiancoinnews.ca/prev...ug18_09.htmlHowever - If you read this: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies...rstamps.htmlIt actually says it's fine as long as it's marked "replica". I thought that was banned as well, but not from what the ebay page says - and I can't find the original press release on either the mint or the RCMP site. If someone has that link at an official source, it would make good reading. |
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@xshift: That's the US site policy The Canadian site policy is quite different. Notice it's only OK to have coins stamped replica BEFORE 1858. If you list for sale as shipping ot Canada, your item falls under that countries guidelines. Notice the penalty threats as well. Quote:Most countries, including Canada, strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit currency and stamps as well as equipment designed to make these illegal products. Therefore, these types of items may not be listed on ebay. Replica Canadian coins minted before 1858 may be listed as long as they are clearly marked "reproduction," "replica," or "copy". Because Canadian law prohibits the possession, sale and purchase of any replica Canadian coin created after 1858, these items may not be listed on ebay. All forged stamps, facsimiles, and reproductions may be listed but need to be clearly and indelibly marked as such on either the front or back of the stamp. See "Some Examples" for more details. For more information from the Bank of Canada about bank note image reproduction, click here. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including: Listing cancellation Limits on account privileges Account suspension Forfeit of ebay fees on cancelled listings Loss of PowerSeller status Also, if you violate this policy, you may face civil and/or criminal prosecutions and be accountable to pay fines and/or damages with respect to federal, provincial or local laws or regulations. http://pages.ebay. DOT CA /help/policies/currstamps.html |
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If we're playing the "report items" game, take a look at the seller asyn. He's constantly listing coins with his opinion of the grade in the title (not allowed), and his opinions are generally 3-4 grades too high.
I purchased off of him once a 1917 25 Cent MS62, a 1929 25 Cent MS64, and 1936 25 Cent MS62. I knew his grading seemed high, so I bid assuming they were 1-2 grades lower. The coins I received were EF40, AU55 and AU50, respectively. I returned them and he relisted them as MS63, MS65, and MS65, respectively. He's fun.
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Odd.. I got to that page by going to the .ca site. And I was on .ca going through the help pages. Sorry, I suppose I landed on the US one at the end there. And.. I did finally find the official press release: http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?s...tentId=10458Glad you found the .ca one - I was worried ebay's wording was getting around the 'replica' thing. But with that and the official press release I think it nails it shut  |
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Are we talking ebay policy, or a violation of Canadian law? I know the Hobby Protection Act here states that any coin produced/imported and sold as a "replica" must have the word "COPY" on the coin. It does not specifically state the coin has to be a US coin. It also specifies the size of the lettering to used. This company, in this respect, is not violating US law. Is Canada's law more strict? Does it out right ban the import and manufacture of Canadian coins? If so, then I can see where the OP is coming from. ebay policy aside, unless Canada specifically bans the practice, there is no violation. Could someone please enlighten us on what Canadian law prohibits in this respect? |
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Thanks for the article link up xshift, I had an old email but couldn't find it.
Thank you all for your support in keeping knock offs out of the hands of the misinformed.
@jg ... I buy fillers for other people from him all the time... I totally ignore his grading and make my own, his pics are quite good, then bid accordingly. I built a 50 cent AU set using 8 of his items that he'd graded MS64-65 for someone because that's what they could afford. Some good deals there and wide variety if you ignore the grading.
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Wow, my question was answered even before it was posted.
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It actually says it's fine as long as it's marked "replica". xshift, a little bit below the "Allowed" and "Not Allowed" bullet points (on the US ebay site), it says: Quote:
Sellers can't list reproduction or replica versions of any Canadian coin issued in or after 1858. Canadian law prohibits the possession, sale, and purchase of replicas of these coins. Replicas of Canadian coins issued before 1858 must be clearly marked as a "COPY." Edited by steve199
04/13/2010 2:43 pm
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Also interesting...the article from Canadian Coin News in xshift's link. It specifically mentions this ebay seller: Maryland Mint. Quote:
Neil Sherman, president of the Berlin, Md.-based Maryland Mint, which produces replica world coins, said his firm will cease selling Canadian replicas to customers north of the border. Yet there is no claim at all on this auction that they won't ship it to a buyer in Canada. The auction still has not been pulled. |
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Quote:xshift, a little bit below the "Allowed" and "Not Allowed" bullet points (on the US ebay site), it says: Yes.. the CA page is much more specific and says pre-1858 with "replica" is fine but not 1858 and forward. I noticed it hasn't been pulled yet, too, and he's already sold 3. I'm really wondering about that US page - if ebay made a deal like that then they should put that wording about Canada coins on ALL the pages. Someone looking at the US version would think selling them was fine. If it isn't gone soon, maybe a nice email with the item number should go out to the RCMP Sergeant.. along with a screen shot and the fact it's been reported numerous times. |
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*** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. ***
For the life of me, who would buy such substandard crap anyway, I dont know of one solid coin collector that would be dazzled in the least in seeing one of these.
Edited by Dollar1948
04/13/2010 5:37 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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xshift, the wording I quoted is from the US ebay page, not Canada. It clearly states that Canadian coin copies (1858 and after) are not allowed. |
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"me too" on what Steve199 says, further down the page it clearly says the same on ebay.com . It's just more in your face an the Canuck site. |
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are you guys sure it is listed on the US site? ebay sites automatically switch, depending from where you access ebay... I am not sure if ebay will pull the guy off. $$$$ seem to matter a lot more to them than ethics and laws. AND I think the key question is: is a item stamped as a copy still legal tender? By all means, I am not supporting this guy at all and want him to stop! Another fellow in Germany whom I spoke with said to me: send me your picture.. and I will have put it on any coin you want.......perfectly leagl apparently in Germany.... I recently posted a link recently to German ebay site where a guy is selling REAL currency, including Canadian bills. HOWEVER, he modifies them and inserts pictures of (careful here) sparsely clothed ladies in suggestive poses. The Moderator here yanked the post. just wonder why...the subject of my post was clearly about currency and not about the other. anyone who wants the link can PM me. |
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are you guys sure it is listed on the US site? Yes, it is listed on the US site. Really surprised the listing is still there. |
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