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 Posted 04/30/2010  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oasis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While it would be sad to see the penny removed from circulation, the reality is that Bank of Canada has managed to knock about 95% of the value off the dollar since it formed.

Australia had 1 and 2 cent coin but removed them in the 1990s. Here prices ending in 1,2,6,7 are rounded down and prices ending in 3,4,8,9 are rounded up (this is Swedish rounding). That's only if you pay with cash, if you make an electronic payment it's for the exact amount. So if you're concerned with cents adding up you can actually avoid rounding payments up altogether.

And in New Zealand they've already removed their 5 cent coin from circulation and everything is rounded to the nearest 10 cent.

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 Posted 04/30/2010  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 04/30/2010  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys need to look up "Swedish rounding", as I can tell some of you are confusing it with rounding up. 5 cents is 5 cents. As is 4 cents, and 6 cents, and 3 cents and 7 cents. 8 or 9 cents is 10 cents, 11 or 12 cents get rounded down to 10 cents. This rounding system, in theory, evens out and you're not getting ripped for a few cents every transaction. I also favor getting rid of the nickel, and having 10c as the lowest denomination.

Oasis is absolutely right though, besides debating abolishing the penny, people need to ask themselves why they are worthless. I'd guess with confidence that less that 1 person in 100 understands that debt - not money - is the foundation of the current monetary system.
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04/30/2010 8:50 pm
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 Posted 04/30/2010  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That may be so, and I'm not sure of the exact banking measures taken, but thousands of people in poverty on our streets will suffer when the only thing people can spare is a dime. Pennies are the foundation of charities and saving. I've cashed in hundreds of dollars worth of pennies from my change. Maybe I'll get my money's worth from "swedish rounding" but I'm so used to this system. I need more convincing to take away my pennies. I thought I'd see more support from coin collectors. There is SOME importance and worth to the penny, because without it, there are no cents to a dollar - only 1/20th fractions and no "sense". I mean, we might as well go to using shillings.

As for electronic banking, there aren't enough swear words to express my feelings on THAT issue.
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04/30/2010 9:19 pm
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 Posted 05/01/2010  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well said Libertad
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 Posted 05/01/2010  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kyrio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The penny is pretty useless for anything other than collecting.
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 Posted 05/01/2010  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kyrio: Well then give me all your pennies as they are useless to you. I'll put them to good use. I bet you if I offered to give you a hundred face in pre1981 pennies you won't say they were useless.

Unless the government can say we will save x amount of dollars and everyones basic tax allowance will reflect this difference (after all we are all saving aren't we) then the government will just pocket the money anyways and blow it in some unaccountable way. At least if the government has to actually make pennies then at least something actually got done with our tax dollars. So many government positions are basically glamorous and high paying "welfare" jobs, lets remove those first to save some real money.

Once everything goes electronic we will be paying the banks for "connivence". And if we get rid of all money the banks will be able to charge a buck or two a transaction and there won't be a choice. The last thing you want is the banks in control of the money.
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05/01/2010 05:49 am
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 Posted 05/01/2010  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow all this over a penny.
Your passion for keeping the penny is somewhat valid in the sense that it's more symbolic than that it has value.I posted this on a different board but if you consider that 1cent in 1870 was equivalent, at best to 25 cents today in buying power, although not to relevant because of vastly different life style. More relevant,in terms of nominal manual labour,1870 wages, 5 cents an hour = 10.00 to 12.00 today.
Therefore our toonie is the penny at it's inception.
Forgot to point out, we only get to keep or spend 1/2 what we make.
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 Posted 05/02/2010  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
unofficial) Message from the mint PR dept:
Penny, GO away!!! you actually do cost us more more than you are worth!!
However, stay around for the fools we call: our clients ( chuckle....flattering word for some coin collectors collecting the wrong coins)
because "our valued Clients" will make sure we are profitable by us re-issuing the penny for you, specially for you who do not know better.The penny, with (of course}some errors automatically built in to the issues, like a leaf facing the wrong way,or it showing 2 cents instead of 1 which will have the forum guys go bananas..... all about a worthless penny.... BUT all about our business goals.
so true......
oh each issue will be adjusted to overseas demands to keep up interest.( and there is tons of it because our marketing people do an excellent job telling the world how RARE and limited THESE issues are.

Joke aside!
Are you forum members aware that our mint does in fact make some issues that are NOT available here and are ONLY meant for export....?
However, they will "send" a few of these "very valuable" coins to some very select dealers to create interest...?
WHY?
cause it is supposed to be " legal Canadian Currency"...
beats me.....
I know all our money is still legal tender back to 1858, regardless of age.
BUT when was the last time you received an $ 8 or $ 4 coin in your change , or spent one? or even know that there is such an issue? It is a JOKE that makes $$$$$$$$$$
I think that you would be ending up with stainless steel bracelets at the local RCMP lock up if you were caught trying to pay for a greasy papa burger with one..
Anny officers like to chime in? ( I know, there are some)
sorry, but that is the last rumbling" I will do for a while...


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