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Short, Shameful Realization (And Confession)

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 Posted 05/26/2010  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Eaglefoot

I agree with you 100%. How can someone say they hate modern coins...

I did look at some of the members that posted on this link, that say they hate moderns, and saw page after page of where they posted on modern threads. If they don't like them .. why even read or post in that section?

Then I have to wonder if they have ever broke open a silver proof set .. some of the new quarters are very very beautiful in silver proof. If I was going to tell a new collector what might be good ... silver proof quarters would be high on my list.

Then there is one of my favorite's modern series ... commemorative dollars. yes there are some I don't care for but there are a lot that I do.
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 Posted 05/26/2010  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if the slot machines paid out in Morgans, the dollar had value back then and would be spent the same as bills. So you wouldn't really hit the jackpot unless you were a variety collector with a lot of money already.
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 Posted 05/27/2010  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a problem looking at any of them, old or new.
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 Posted 05/27/2010  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First a quick apology. I know from from reading their posts here that I was one of those who posted negative comments about the coins on Eaglefoot's thread regarding "who is going to collect the Nation Park series quarters". It was never my intention to be rude or to belittle anyone's interests in collecting. The point is well made and taken that my comments were misplaced and I will be more considerate going forward. Again, please accept my apologies.

When I have enough time, I will added to this post and discuss my frustrations with the mint. It was these reasons, hopefully well founded, that caused me to hijack Eaglefoot's thread.

Jim
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 Posted 05/27/2010  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 05/27/2010  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My frustration is with the mint, not so much modern coins. Unfortunately, they are where the mint problems manifest themselves.

I suspect the mint would say that the things that collectors find disappointing in modern coinage is caused by an attempt to control costs. Surely they would cite the Zincoln as an example of what is necessary. They would probably suggest that low reliefs and uninspired designs that remind some of arcade tokens were also examples.

At first blush you might accept this. However, consider that the most cost effect way to mint coins is by making no changes. Take the Lincoln as example. it lasted more or less in the same form for 100 yrs with only one major design change on the reverse. Can you think of a more cost effective way to produce. As long as the master dies hold up, you just keep making product. No design, engineering and material testing costs.

This is where my problem with the mint develops. Why all these costly design changes. Is it because the general public has demanded it? Go up to Startbucks and ask anyone there if they can name the four reverses on the 2009 Lincoln or what is on the back of the 2010. They do not know and don't care. All that matters is if they can spend it. No, all these changes are aimed directly at us. And, the cost savings efforts directly effect those that they are aiming at. At least they could make coins that inspire like one of my favorites, the Merc.

My problem is, as long as we are willing to run to the alter of "new issue" the mint will not change. If collectors as a group would stop spending until the mint changed it's approach, I suspect that everyone here that does not like modern coins would have a change of attitude. It is not the collecting of new coins, but the quality and constant changing that turns us off. These changes are designed to make you spend more money! My dealer made the comment to me the other day that the Philly LP-4 2009 Lincoln was the key coin because it only had a minting of about 130 million. What the heck would the 1909-S VDB be worth if it's mintage was 100 million.

It is the young collector that I worry about. As the population grows and classic coins disappear and age, becoming more expensive, what will they collect. I surely would not start if my collection was primarily based on Zinc coins.

No, if they want to give collector value, make a coin of high quality on sound material and limit the production. Lets say 25 million into circulation with another 2 mil in proofs and special sets. Now, we have value and true collectible qualities. At least, give us higher quality.

Sorry for rambling,
Jim
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05/27/2010 2:44 pm
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 Posted 06/08/2010  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add big777bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like anything post 1964!
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 Posted 06/08/2010  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I enjoy the moderns. Collecting circulated sets of all the modern coinage has enabled me to practice my grading skills, educate myself on important rarities, and enjoy this hobby on a daily basis. Of course I'd rather search through piles of classic coins, but I just do not have access to them.

I can understand the quality issue of the penny but the reality is, we still have one. The penny could very easily be considered obsolete. With Nickel production costs rising what would you rather see happen? Change the composition to something cheaper or eliminate it? Costs of production are not in the design. They are in the composition.

I think the moderns are great for new collectors. The State Quarters are undeniable in their contribution to the hobby. Hand any young collector a few rolls of pennys, nickels, or quarters and think of all the conversations on history one could have! Just over ten years ago there would be Lincoln, Jefferson, & Washington.
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