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I answer to the last 2 posts. He's obviously been buying them out of China. Since August he's sold 12 1864 Florins with die number 64 in about EF grades and all coins had the same tell tale OBV marks. Any dealer who has sold the same coin with the same die number and same OBV scrathces would have to have his own suspicions raised by the amount that was passing through his hands. Did he sell fakes deliberately, undoubtably the answer is YES......Gothic crowns have a mintage of only 8000 coins, he had 3 of those for sale last week all in the same grades, he's basically been drip feeding ebay with the fakes throughout this year. I noticed back in March this year he had 3 or 4 Crowns for sale, so he's been listing them in a few multiples possibly every month, but I've personally seen quite an amount from him which is certainly unhealthy..... |
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Here is his reply (after 2 days) to my asking about his fakes and inviting him onto predecimal to convince us he was'nt buying from China- Thank you for your emails pointing out your concerns about some of our listings on ebay. We are always concerned that all of our articles are both genuine and at least in the condition that we describe them as being in, and strive to for total accuracy, erring if we do on the side of caution as to grade or condition. It is not only good business practice, it is also an essential part of the relationship of trust we have with both our customers and also with ebay. There can be no concerns on the part of any buyer, either on ebay or elsewhere, as to our commitment to making sure our customers are unreservedly happy and therefore it is part of such commitment that we unconditionally, and without question, offer a refund for any item that may be misdescribed, where there is any doubt expressed as to its authenticity, or if the customer has any other reason. I believe this is the strongest guarantee of integrity we can offer We are concerned that more than one person has expressed their doubts on a couple of our items, and in view of this we have gone through our entire stock and removed from sale anything that falls into these categories. We thank you for taking the time and trouble in pointing out these matters to us, and enabling us to take the necesary steps to make dealing with us something buyers can do with total confidence and security. Regards Roy - roydinsdaleuk If you notice from his response, there was no asking how we knew these were Chinese fakes, any seller in their right mind would ask to point out what was wrong with the coins in question, he did not. If anyone bought a Gothic Crown or Florin from him my advice would be to go back to him and ask for a refund as he's stated in this mail.... |
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United Kingdom
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thank you Ski for your very valuable reply.
It is very easy to call a coin fake, reputations can be won or lost at the stroke of a few buttons - so if you are calling a coin fake you have to be able to say why you think it is and until your post the only suggestion was that the seller had sold 8 of them, which is not really an answer, hence my suggestion to send it to a third party.
As to withholding how to tell it's a fake, well if you can tell so can the producers. Any method of telling without a specific gravity test is down to quality of the production technique.
Asda -
I'm not sure what makes you so certain it's Chinese - there are very good fakes emanating from eastern Europe.....
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andyg, a fake is a fake regardless of where its made, right?
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It's one thing to prove that a crime has been committed, quite another to accuse someone (in this case, an entire nation) of committing that crime.
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Sorry Dan, take your pick, Easten Europe, China or Turkey. Did'nt realise people were fussy where their fakes were actually made, I thought in My wisdom they might be more than ticked off that they'd actually bought one, so again my apologies.
*** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. ***
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Have to say, some very Strange replies to a huge problem in the coin collecting World. Now actually arguing which Country are producing them, does it matter? The Problem is that sellers are knowingly selling them, you'd think that would be
More disturbing than who's manufacturing them..... Strange.
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United Kingdom
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It was you that were making the unsubstantiated claim they were from China - no one else!!
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Andy Check the Internet My son, you'll see a Chinese Factory pumping out fakes. You seem to have a problem with saying Chinese fakes, does it matter where they're coming from for you, do you like your fakes eminating from another country, take your pick. Not heard a word about dinsdale since I posted his response, yet now you're focusing on what country, you really need to start focusing your issued elsewhere and realise it does'nt bloody matter where they're coming from, fact of the matter is that they're here and dinsdale has been selling them. I'm beginning to think you know this seller as you seem to be defending him and  ting the Real issue here. |
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I'm sure the Bulgarian and Lebanese counterfeiters, when a fake is exposed, are more than happy to hear (and join in the chorus!) "Oh those Chinese..."
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I'm more than sure they are. Never have seen the Youtube Bulgarien or Lebanese counterfeiting factory, I'm sure you can provide one like the Chinese one thats online? Still awaiting on the answer to My question though, what difference is it who makes rhem, the topic is about a seller knowingly selling FAKES, country of origin is not the Problem right now unless you both like the Lebanese, Bulgarian or Turkish fakes better than the Chinese ones which would then mean you are both alienating a Nation because of their origins :-)
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Have you a JCB to hand?
>>He's obviously been buying them out of China
>>what difference is it who makes rhem,
your quotes not mine - I merely pointed out that they don't have to be from China. In a court of law, what you wrote would be called a supposition.
As would the accusation that the seller knowingly sold them, which also, is probably likely but not proven.
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United Kingdom
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Hi Wonghingi.......sorry for the use of an abreviation in my posts.
OP means original poster.
since azda discovered his dubious material in his listings, weve both communicated with him, and he responded with the removal of the items.
ive written a couple of times since and he no longer replies, the question of where the fakes were made goes unanswered, if indeed he knew, as does the question fo why he doesn't contact those folk hes sold the copies to.
he did however lie quite badly during the first few messages I had with him and that left him in a very bad light with me, this naturally makes me suspicious, if nothing more , that he was knowingly selling copies.
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there has been some very surprising replies in this thread, but I can only add here that without azda's diligence and a few people writing emails to the seller.......there would still be an ebay member selling copies of expensive coins. well done dave for at least having removed one source on ebay of copies. ski |
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Andy get a grip will you, we're not in a Court of law, we're in a forum in which I'm trying to help those
Who may have purchased from him decide if they want to return them. [Staff edit: There is no need to be rude.]
Ski, thanks buddy....
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