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Pillar of the Community
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The making of soft dies takes less time than you think. It allows the manipulation of only 1 side with out damaging the other.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The metal displaced by a false die has to go somewhere, it doesn't just vanish into the netherworld...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Agreed, I think you will find the raised inner and outer of the circles. Please have a look at the involved denticles. Do they seem elongated? Transfer? If elongated, then moved by the washer.....post mint........I could be wrong, but have seen numerous home made ones that look just like this one.
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Locked
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Just read this whole topic and man I wish people could post complete sentences. Sure would make it easier to learn something and take them seriously.
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Well...interesting. I trust Mike Diamond's call; he sorta knows what he's talking about.  As a thought, I think any secondary, post-mint die would still produce unequal forces on the coin, causing damage outside the indentation. Unless of course, one somehow replicated the original dies, collars, and perfectly aligned the strike. Edited by DVCollector
09/29/2010 4:35 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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An individual in a Western Canadian City makes "soft dies"....I will suffice to say that an encased material (in a socket) is used. The obv and or rev dies used are only to support the desired side and to prevent damage to the other. I have seen 12 or 13 loonies made by this individual. They are good. I have taken the liberty of contacting Mr. Diamond (via his yahoo error site of which I was invited) and explaining the production of this type error in a little more detail. All that really matters is that the person who owns the coin is happy with it. Some here know who I am, and that I collect Canadian Errors. I will end this post with this thought. If you believe it is real....then it is.....If you doubt the authenticity....work your way thru it. Both sides may be correct. At Torex in 3 weeks, I will be actually making similar errors for a few people as training aids. Yes, we will make them at TOREX. Will be fun. Have a great day all.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not to kick a dead horse here
but I bet this particular coin was the result
of the washer (object) being already stuck on the planchet
before the punch other than the object being laying on top
of the reverse die before the punch. Or maybe vice versa ?
Wondering how the effects would look after both scenarios
were used ?
Also, I seem to see the whole object being in relief.
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Valued Member
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Having been a Licenced Heavy Duty Mechanic that has worked in many logging camps where I repaired the largest logging yarders and log loaders in the woods, we would use these as washers, shims or spacers. If they were shims, they would be very thin and would allow more of the loon to show through, if it was a spacer or washer, then it would be very thick and therefore, if punched at the mint, my opinion is that there would only be the impression of the washer/spacer on the coin. I am still puzzled about how such a perfect washer shape would have been possible if the washer/shim/spacer was thin. I will not dismiss that it may be an error, but I still do not see enough evidence to convince me that it was done at the mint. If the evidence is there, please let me stand corrected.
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Pillar of the Community
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My conclusion concerning its authenticity is based on the following characteristics which are hard to duplicate in a fake:
1) Lack of damage to the obverse face
2) Lack of a pressure ridge surrounding the sunken donut
3) No damage to the plating
4) A raised ghost image of the reverse design in the floor of the donut.
It's certainly within the realm of possibility that this is a clever fake, but if so, it does not betray any obvious signs in the photo.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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FWIW, I don't think a vise will have enough force to make that much impression. I could be wrong, but I think a Hydraulic press, would have to be utilized.
Remember that the coin presses use hundreds of tons pressure.
IMHO.
Dick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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coinsrfun.
Twi questions:
Will you return to this thread, with some photos to allow us to see some of the items that will be made at TOREX?
Are you a member of CCRS?
Thanks, and enjoy the trip to TOREX.
Dick
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Valued Member
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It been about two months since my initial post and I was wondering if anyone out there was successful in duplicating my struck through washer error?
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Canada
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Splatto, did you get a chance to reproduce any fake errors at your folks?
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