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So what am I to take from this thread?
1) If you are a collector of Morgan's and don't like Vams because you think the value of your collection will go down in price?
2) If you are a collector of Morgan Vams and believe that they are more valuable you will win in the end?
Pick a side.. 1) you stick to not changing the status quo.. or 2) you look to prefect it!
Sounds like politics to me!
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Almost every issue of US coinage prior to Morgan dollars has been refined into die varieties. Seated coinage is not quite there yet, but all the other issues are either identified or people are actively working on making those identifications. Yet, regardless, plenty of collectors are still making their own choices of how to collect. If they want varieties, they collect varieties. If they want pretty coins for the 7070, that's what they do. This is a smorgasbord. Put whatever you want on your plate; there is no wrong answer. |
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Well Jeffery...We are just common "HIGH" minded folk here....While there are lists that some believe will enhance the hobby, some coins on the list are almost impossible to obtain, the reason is to enhance those new(as those in the system have not found them) to search for these exotic coins,, and it does happen...not often but new vams are found weekly... whether one feels its all about the unskilled dealer being taken advantage of. or the over graded coins will always be subjective...ITS A HUGE subject requiring knowledge not of one subject even thought its catagorized under on subject...
People here are bringing knowledge to many of the facets of the overall subject..MOST HERE are dealers thought some are but they contribute to the knowledge......Its a huge subject...and one can easily be lost in a concept alone.....thats why we try to have sub-threads to look at the sub-issues....
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I love ccf, I'm addicted & learning tons by reading the different threads, studying VAM Attributions+101. I don't want to say to much till I learn more but thanks for feeding my addiction for Knowledge about this awesome Hobby.Thanks Gentlemen for sharing your Wealth of Knowledge & Experience for the beginner wanting to learn. Edited by rlcbj59
01/15/2011 09:00 am
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So what am I to take from this thread? that is an interesting question. I suppose the answer is in what context are we discussing? Are we talking about a lack of transparency? That has been a dominant theme? Are we talking about self serving interest? That has been another dominant theme. Are we talking about the lack of growth in the hobby? There were many tangents touched upon. Some of these tangents affect others more than some, others not at all. |
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Let's discuss this one..."Are we talking about a lack of transparency."
I suppose you would be directing this statement about something specific?
Would you care to elaborate!! PS, I have found other sites, for no apparent reason, do NOT allow discussions about certain topics, this site NOT being one of those, Let's talk!!
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Transparency...This word along entails many facets from the common collect to the profit margin minded....It's a wide area. The over all KEY FACTOR is knowledge......and its not just with coinage.. its in every collectible item........
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Are we talking about the lack of growth in the hobby? I actually disagree with this statement, as I have done before. I think the hobby is booming. I think there are a massive amount of folks Vamming, and studying and/or interested in vamming than even 5 years ago. I just think the perception of a lack of growth in the hobby is a reflection of a lack of a strong collector leadership group. The growth in the business of Vamming is something left for another day. |
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I just think the perception of a lack of growth in the hobby is a reflection of a lack of a strong collector leadership group I very much agree with that sentiment. |
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I actually disagree with this statement, as I have done before. I think the hobby is booming. I think there are a massive amount of folks Vamming, and studying and/or interested in vamming than even 5 years ago. As somebody who spends 20+ hours a week on ebay cherrypicking, I can wholeheartedly ask for an "amen" on this one. 5 years ago, I built a *stupid* collection of 1921 VAM's for cheap on ebay. Now, any '21 I list immediately gets 8-10 watchers, all of whom know precisely what they should bid on my coin. And that's only 1921's, the Rodney Dangerfield of VAMs. Yet, I'll disagree with the previous post to the extent that I feel Morgans need an audience similar to Bust Halves - where varieties are the foundation of the practice - and that atmosphere has yet to permeate the world of Morgans. When it does, that is when it'll become a seller's market. At least briefly, until the true rarity of stuff shakes out and real-world values become more clear. I remain doubtful that I'll be here to see the day, but convinced that it will happen. |
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Yet, I'll disagree with the previous post to the extent that I feel Morgans need an audience similar to Bust Halves - where varieties are the foundation of the practice - and that atmosphere has yet to permeate the world of Morgans. Interesting Dave. I guess on one hand I can see your point. I am not sure how long it took the Bust Halves crowd to get to that point. But I would imagine it was decades. So if we assume vamming started in earnest in 2000 (debatable), then maybe by 2030 for Morgans? Crap, I will be dead by then. |
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This was why I said age demographics would play a role.
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It'll happen far faster than that, VAMsforMoney. We have the advantage of the Internet. Incoming collectors won't acquire information by osmosis and libraries; it'll be more like they click a link and the dam collapses. The ones who don't wash away will become VAMmers, quickly.
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such deep subjects and thoughts. THESE things are in play even as we think of thoughts...Its to late for me to reply...your all glad I don't...AS we speak there is change...and understanding....The main point is......WE QUESTION....and there will be thoughts and reply's to the questions which WILL bring understanding...In the past there has been questions.. but never the ability to have answers overnight or within a few day's....these questions result in the many forums available for all of us to review the specific topic at hand...This is one of them.. and they will not go away as we have questions and the right to explore them requardless of the expert opinions that have layed down the rules for us.....if they were knowledge so exact then there would be now questioning, and we would all KNOW or have understanding...but as we see there are some questions we all discuss to bring further and an an exact understanding of the subject..Just something to think about....AS I do appreciate emensily those who have brought us here to where we are, and there knowledge that brought us into thinking and examining there principles.... That's how everything moves forward and knowledge is gained and improved.....Once the world was flat, as one could perceive in his own understanding as far as one could see.... as the "collective" minds on the subject confurred.or thought about......there was a greater understanding as one looked upon the whole surface.....SO TO do we look and study on those who have went before us, and compare our own obsevances to seek the truth...its never about blindly observing....and accepting. its about accepting and observing the logic handed to us...and questioning the logic...WHY ELSE CAN SO many VAM's be found each year? Just something to think about... |
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VFM, I like the way that you think,You said, " So if we assume vamming started in earnest in 2000 ". I would ask you what you think of the people who collect the hot list 40 Vams, what you think of the people who collect the top 50 Vams, the collectors who wish to collect B1 reverse sets, the collectors who collect any part there of along the Vamming way. I guess I am asking what your definition of VAMMING is, I see it as a very multi-intense variety of cherrypicking, once qualified to do so, I also see the collectors of Vams, like my self that research certain topics to gain a better understanding of a certain area of this addicting hobby.I also would ask you, why do you like the VAM topic, do you collect any particular segments of Vams, or just love the over-all Vams adventure, collect a B1 Set, top 40 hit list Vams, top 100 collector? I see people collecting information, knowledge and expertise to assist them selves in being a better educated Vammer to further grow the entire process, from the designs to the dies to the coining process to the striking of the coins we ALL, who collect these Morgan and Peace dollars have come to appreciate and embrace in our own ways, whether to learn, cherrypick,assist, educate or collect any or all of these topics to advance our selves to grow the hobby of Vamming. I feel there are many parts of Vamming to embrace in the over all VAMS topic. Personally, I am along for many reasons, like some of the best friends I have come to know from my Numismatic adventures in 45+ years..........  |
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