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talk about a post on top of a post...and I agree with you, and dad...I prefer to stay at my own level...its where I find my enjoyment. likened to politics, any subject can venue deeper than required so as to say I have a say so... IF ONE ASSUMES There is an over all answer that fixes or explains everything...you have another story that doesn't work...
For vamming...lets get back to the basics, rather than to figure we have the absolute answer to the multitude of questions, that are worthy of discussion///
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Okay, I am done with that....now I am warmed up for the future of vamming, which I feel is not so dependent upon the retirement of one individual as it is on the involvement of the collector...... These lists that I detest are connected directly to the TPGs..... To own a coin in a slab that states on the label "Top 50" is alluring more so than a slabbed coin that displays no such annotation.... businesses are dependent upon each other for survival... it is not sheer competitiveness that keeps them afloat..... The TPGs make money off of those words, and it is naive to think that someone else isn't also.... this money comes out of the pocket of the collector..... I really believe that the collector needs to become more involved in their own hobby.... stand up, speak up rather than lurk and collect what he or she thinks is the prudent thing to collect based upon the list designations and forum discussions that they themselves do not participate in.... On the dealer site, the vast majority of discussion is carried out by a certain number of individuals.... the silent majority has no voice (by their own volition) , and therefor no influence, and that is sad.... they allow themselves to be controlled....Yeah, there is a reason that I call it the dealer site..... it is what sets us apart here.
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HEAR HEAR!  true words/ and most importantly, as ebay and heritage are proven grounds of worth, not the retail lists, it is our combined newbie questions of the process which bring a level playing field....GN all..... |
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Yeah, well, I did not mean it as direct funds are being gathered by the TPGs or list authors, I mean it more as a growth of an industry in which all involved businesses are guaranteed growth.... but is that the direction that the hobbyist wants to go? More income due to growth means higher prices for who?
I say not only ignore these lists, but denounce them... I know that we all say that we don't pay any attention to the lists for one reason or another, but is that enough? Lists compiled by one (or just a few folks) is not only an unfair thing to be saddled with, it is demeaning....Lists of popularity or importance should be voted upon by popular consensus, and until that happens, the existing lists are little more than insults (in my opinion).
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I see your avatar and name, does this not speak volumes of your thought process, not coming down on you, just stating the obvious. I disagree Mike....Appearances can be deceiving....In this case I think that the username is an attempt at sarcasm rather than a statement of lifestyle..... His/her posts stand in stark contrast to user name... VAMsforMoney is a true hobbyist, not a dealer.... I am in solid belief of that.....Welcome here VAMsforMoney..... I like your input so far and find it both interesting and enlightening.... you obviously have a heightened level of understanding of what is going on in the broader scope, and maybe even a vision for what may lay upon the horizon? |
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Zee, I would humbly dis-agree, I did not state what I did out of shear guess, rather I was only stating the obvious, VAMS FOR MONEY!!! Well maybe YOU are right,NOT!! It does have a sought of direct meaning to the name though.....I stick to my statement, the name alone suggests along with the comments, Money is a strong driving force and that is not just my opinion, it is an obvious statement. I mean no dis-respect, but if vfm were on the board of lets say some larger than life inflated know it all site, would the name evoke any other ideas in the common folk of this hobby, I believe it would.....
I would suggest a thought, why would people while thinking of the "DEALERS SITE", think the way they do, myself included?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, And have a strong notion to defend the same?
I would also add why when thinking about this site people think about questioning possibilities and Numismatics as a whole, like myself,and not the bottom line of the almighty dollar? Just my opinion.
I see the world revolves around the dollar sign and know this for many, many years, what I am not sure about is the motives and hidden self serving agendas of others while I am going about collecting what it is I like......Money does not run my hobby, I do and seeing others who are in the hobby to make money if done correctly is IMO, a good thing, I also see the greed topic driving the hobby to places I do NOT want to go and hope things change for the better of the collecting community as a whole, not for a select few. It also can go the way it seems, Beware, Greed Kills!! PS, Happy Holidays to all.....
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Only time will tell, and I think (hope) that the wait shall be short.....In the meantime, I will not let this difference of current opinion come between us.....Merry Christmas Mike...  Back to the topic now.....How 'bout those Mets ?! |
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I sorta think that the future of vamming will be dependent (not entirely, but in large part) upon just how involved collectors become in online forums like this and the other one.....I call it the dealer site, but that is really just a tongue in cheek phrase that I use..... the overwhelming number of members are collectors, but they choose not to be a voice in the online happenings.... They are mostly a bunch of good folks, and I would like to see them come out of the shadows and voice their opinions and concerns (as we are permitted to do here).... I do not know if fear of censorship or ridicule is the motivation for the silence, or maybe inverted personality is the hold back.... Personally, I just love to run my mouth whether I have anything to say or not..... Anyone care to disagree with that? |
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I sorta think that the future of vamming will be dependent (not entirely, but in large part) upon just how involved collectors become in online forums like this and the other one It's inevitable. The VAMmers of the future will have grown up in an Internet world - it will be their first reaction, their first source of information about numismatics. As long as there are sites like CCF - and we're not exactly the only place to go to talk about these subjects, just the best (  ) - new collectors will become informed far more quickly than those who came before. Quote:
Zee, I would humbly dis-agree, I did not state what I did out of shear guess, rather I was only stating the obvious, VAMS FOR MONEY! Well maybe YOU are right,NOT! Although your conclusion is not unreasonable with the facts you have, it is wrong all the same and I say this based on other facts you don't have. Please leave it at that. |
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Hey Oz: For 7 topics not meriting discussion, you have 8 pages of it. I will also say this. It is apparent to me that Vamming is actually alive and well. Look at the amount of discussion here, and elsewhere. The passion expressed by many folks even in this thread should attest to that. But more importantly, try going to a coin show and NOT running into another Vammer. It wasn't that way very long ago as has been attested to by Bryan and others. The explosion of new Discovery pieces in the last 2 to 3 years should also be pointed out. Is all well in the VAM Universe? I would say for the most part, sure. I think contentious behavior on boards is facilitated by the anonymous nature of the Internet. If you took the folks who seemingly have very different opinions on Vamming, and put them in a room together, I would suggest that civility would prevail. How about a plug for coin clubs? |
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Merry Christmas VAMsforMoney.... Quote:
If you took the folks who seemingly have very different opinions on Vamming, and put them in a room together, I would suggest that civility would prevail. And I would suggest (or hope) that inebriation would prevail... (which sometimes leads to civility). |
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Merry Christmas zeewool.  I prefer oranges. All is as well in the world of VAMming as it might be. Certain factions are getting more publicity; meanwhile, behind the scenes, good people are ensuring the hobby will thrive in the future. We're not talking about them; they're not provocative. I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but the future will not be like the past. Every little bit of information which finds a home on the Internet is forever lost to those who would withhold it. Much of what we consider "bad" about the current state of affairs will not be possible in five years. |
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