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it can not be made at the mint, it is impossible! never will this ever happen at the mint, it just wont work!
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MicMar, look on the bright side ... you have an excellent down payment on a stick of bubble gum.
That gum will be tasty and delicious and you can do the treasury a favor by getting that coin back into circulation. Plus we can have fun when the next guy finds and posts it (!) :)
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But, sometimes you have to look outside the box. I believe it would be improbable for someone to manipulate the coin because of the following; 1)The time and effort it would have taken to apply reeding.. .Something I've learned from Coppercoins and other experts here is this: errors and die varieties are not about personal theories. It's far more likely that a bored machinist or jeweler reeded a cent than a US mint actually struck a cent with reeding. Not trying to sound "smart" here, but the latter requires proof on the coin, as well as a plausible minting process. It's really not up to anyone here to disprove your ideas, because we don't have one shred of evidence this is possible. If you still think the coin is real, send it to PCGS or NGC and you'll know for sure. Edited by DVCollector
12/23/2010 12:52 pm
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I will only go so far as the following:
1. Someone mentioned that I gave my 'opinion' on the coin. Not exactly. I gave FACT. There is no way the United States Mint could possibly mint a cent with reeding. The coin is altered. End of story.
2. To the gentleman who started this thread. I have a GREAT solution for you to once and for all answer the question. There's this company that spends millions of dollars a year to employ the absolute finest in the business at grading coins, identifying errors, and detecting counterfeit and altered coins. They are called Numismatic Guaranty Corporation, or NGC for short, and they would accept your coin without prior 'opinion' and tell you exactly what it is. You do not believe the absolutely FREE information you are getting all over the internet, so spend some cash and send the coin in for authentication.
The way I see all of this is that you are wanting very badly for this coin to BE something it IS NOT. So much so that you are ignoring a lot of very educated and knowledgeable people in the field. Perhaps you should step back and think about the following:
1. There is no way possible to mint cents with a dime collar. End of story - it's just impossible.
2. If a cent collar exhibited reeds that year, where's the other 10-20 million coins struck with the same collar? You mean they disassembled the press and used a collar to strike ONE coin? Come on..
3. Novelty coins have been made for YEARS now. Hollowing coins, grinding surfaces off, reeding coins that had no reeding, and other things done to coins are the fancy of people with expensive lathes and plenty of time on their hands. They didn't always do it for profit, sometimes they did it because they "could".
4. This coin is NOT an attempt to make a cent into a dime for 9 cents profit. That was a mistake post. You don't cut reeds into a 19 millimeter coin to fool a vending machine looking for a 17 millimeter coin. That simply does not make sense. Turning cents into dimes for vending machines was a simple process of sticking a copper cent into acid until it was eaten down to the size of a dime...not all this machining work.
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I will now end my involvement with this thread by posting some information related to the subject of the original post. Many years ago people began discovering reeded edge 1937 cents and nickels in their change, They looked very much like the 1960 cent posted in this thread. Stories circulated that the Mint had produced these coins for some special event, but the truth of the matter is that a machinist produced them to circulate at the 1941 ANA convention in Philadelphia. The coins were placed in a jig - a holder designed to 'step' around a coin at the right pace to make cutting reeds into the coin rather easy. The maker of the coins (unknown at this point what his mane was) told a person who wrote in the Numismatic Scrapbook that each coin took a mere minutes to produce and that the maker had produced 100 sets of nickel/cent coins for the convention. He had thought they were 'interesting' and would make people look twice as they used the coins. Interestingly enough, the 1937 cents and nickels with reeded edges tended to disappear over time, to the point that they have become an enigma of U.S. coin collecting. Sure, it would be easy to drum up some sort of jig, buy some 1937 cents and nickels, and go to town creating 'copies' of the original work...but having one of the originals would be the cat's meow! In 1994 a set of the famous (infamous?) "reeded edge" nickel and cent sold at a Heritage auction for $145. That's the last public appearance I have ever seen or heard of with these little post-mint altered treasures. You see...coins do not have to end up the way they are directly from the Mint to have some value. The coin in this thread is well crafted, and I am sure the owner could reap a $10 bill for it if it were for sale - heck, I would pay that for it. It's "cute" - but it IS NOT an error coin. |
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Foreign Coins Manufactured at US Mints
Tim Ziebarth March 2006
The presence of foreign coin planchets in the US
Mints resulted in may regular US issues being struck
on odd metals and in odd sizes. Error collectors
constantly are uncovering these oddities.
Is this not a possibility? Everyone here is so quick to dismiss any possible way that it could have happened... I will continue my research...
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Is this not a possibility? No, it is not a possibililty for your coin and it is completely irrelevant. You must not be reading what we post so this will be my last on the subject because I am just  Here are two important quotes from myself from an earlier post- Quote:
The planchet has NOTHING to do with the reeding Quote:
I think part of the problem here micmar is that you have a profound misunderstanding of the minting process. You glean bits of numismatic information from the web but assemble those bits in a nonsense fashion. The last one is exactly what you are doing now... |
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It's worth $2, cause that's what I'll pay you for it. I'd use it as a ball marker on the golf course. They say a coin is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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If you found something special , we would all be happy to tell you.
Just the same if you found something not special.
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Thanks for all of the valuable information. I refuse to be a wise guy irregardless of some of the communities responses to my post. If you are done with the thread please be done with it and move on. I have already contacted; Rod Gillis, Numismatic Educator Somnium Frango with the American Numismatic Association regarding the coin. I do plan on having the coin sent out to either PCGS or NGC for further information. All I am trying to do is be sure. I have not disregarded anything that anyone has shared with me on this post. It is honest and taken with good intent... That does not mean that all that was shared is absoulute gospel. That is said with no disrespect to anyone sharing their knowledge or thoughts on this post. It just is not the "end of story" for me...Happy Holidays to ALL!!
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Comeback in a month to let us know what PCGS or NGC says about the coin.
Im glad you can respect coppercoins " opinion "
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Micmar, I think you may be confused about "planchets". True, foreign coins have been minted at US mints before, so there IS a possibility for a foreign planchet to be accidentally fed into a press making US coins. However, foreign or not, an unstruck planchet will NOT have any reeding on it whatsoever. The reeding is formed by the collar as the coin is being struck in the press. The way the coining press is designed and set up, there is no way at all to use a collar meant for dimes and dies meant for cents in the same press. They will not physically fit together. If this were to occur, the press would probably crash the dies into the collar and damage the press. I work as a machine operator running powdered metal compacting presses. I know, from experience, if you try to force a die into a hole that is too small, many little pieces of broken dies will occur! I'm not sure how many tons of pressure the presses at the mint use, but I am sure if an incorrectly sized collar was used, the press would have a severe mechanical failure. Now if you are saying that a collar for a foreign coin was accidentally used in a press, and it just happened to be the exact same size as the cent collar, then there should many examples of this cent around, as the presses make thousands of coins an hour. Keep searching though, there are still good finds out there! Dave |
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unless............
The u.s mint was minting a forgien coin in 1960 that was the same size as a u.s penny with reeding on it.
hum.......
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Thanks Dave! Thanks all I've been trying to say! It may be possible, unlikely but possible...
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