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2011 Uncirculated Set - Interesting Situation Is Unfolding

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 Posted 02/16/2011  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdn44fan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's what it says Canadian_coins

Dealers suggest Uncirculaled sets not as nice as last Years

By Bret evans

Canadian Coin News has received several reports that at least some of the 2011 Uncirculated sets, often called Proof-like or Numismatic BU by collectors, are not as attractive as sets produced in previos years.
One dealer said he believed the sets were not quite as sharp as in recent years, causing him to wonder if there was a sift in production.
"I think they shifted production from Ottawa to Winnipeg," he said. "The edges don't seem as sharp."
While the Uncirculated sets are usually produced in Ottawa on presses used for numismatic coins, in some years the Royal Canadian Mint has produced some or all of the sets in Winnipeg. While there have been some changes in packaging and coin postion, the most significant differance is that the Ottawa-made coins have sharp "wire edges" and Winnipeg-made coins tend to be less sharp.
Canadian Coin News looked at several sets and thought that while the dies had the look of NBU coins, the strike did not seem as sharp as 2010 sets.
Dealer and CCN contributor Terry Campbell said he thought the 2011 sets were not as nice as in previous years.
" I have one that has a great big carbon spot on the $2 coin," he said
Campbell loaned that set to CCN for photography. It is used to illustrate this article.
With the exception of 1997, the Mint used a W mint mark to identify Uncirculated coins made in Winnipeg, while Ottawa-made coins had no distinguishing mark. When the Mint's "circle M" logo was introduced to the coins in 2006, the use of the W mark was abandoned.
Canadian Coin News contacted the Mint and asked if production had been shifted to Winnipeg, but had not received an answer by press time.

So I guess we'll have to wait and see if there are 2 varieties Canadian_coins.
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 Posted 02/17/2011  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

C_C: A couple of things with the mint's (I assume) mock-up:

Those look to have a specimen-like finish. Not mirror fields.
The packaging shown looks like it has an opaque white backing, which would be a major change (you wouldn't be able to see the reverses).



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 Posted 02/18/2011  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdn44fan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dialog_gvf, If you're referring to the picture in Canadian Coin News

The back ground is white just for photograph purposes

See the first picture in this thread from C.C.
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 Posted 02/22/2011  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just received the UNC set I ordered.

This is what is advertised:

2011-Uncirculated-Set---Interesting-Situation-Is-Unfolding

This is what I received:

2011-Uncirculated-Set---Interesting-Situation-Is-Unfolding

Look at the coin arrangement... The Mint had it flipped around. Oops.

Anyway, sorry for the blurry picture but I had to zoom a bit; still you can see the advertised coins have a shiny finish Vs a matte finish on the actual coins.

Overall, the quality is similar to the classic UNC set - maybe a bit better. Basically, slightly above average coins found in bank rolls.
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Wow... I sort through boxes of each denomination to pull the one or two super gems to put in my year collection (fifty cent excepted). If I were building sets of this quality I could just pick from the pile.
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> Overall, the quality is similar to the classic UNC set - maybe a bit better. Basically, slightly above average coins found in bank rolls.

I wonder what ICCS is going to do with those? Are they distinguishable from high quality circulation?
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 Posted 02/23/2011  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coins looks like a regular strike for circulation and not a special strike for sets but still beauty . How much did they charged you for it ?
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Hi Ricardo, they charge $20 for the set with the special 25 cents.
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Going back to advertised set:

2011-Uncirculated-Set---Interesting-Situation-Is-Unfolding

Clear disconnect between production, marketing and management.
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 Posted 02/25/2011  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Anyone have "made in Winnipeg" in the pool? :)

The latest CCN confirms that the 2011-dated uncirculated sets, so far, were made at the Winnipeg facility. So they are off the business strike lines, rather than Ottawa's one-at-a-time lines. That would explain the big jump in "bag marks".




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 Posted 03/01/2011  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dialog, this was confirmed to me today when I spoke to a Mint rep. The question now is whether to shift production back to Ottawa, or not. If they do, we will have (at least) two varieties of UNC sets.

To answer the question if ICCS or CCCS could tell the difference between these NBU coins and regular business coins? I don't think so, unless something obvious in the design is discovered.
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I have been away from the collecting scene for over a year. I have been reading this thread and am I correct to conclude that these coins in the uncirculated sets are business strikes and NOT PL coins as per usual? Would I be better off buying the coins individually? Usually I just purchase the PL sets but if indeed these are business strikes then there is no real reason to pay a premium for the set. And what is this I have been reading on here about a composition change?
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I picked up one at the post office yesterday to see what the fuss was about. Indeed they look like really nice business strikes. Set has a lot of bag marks , not really premium in my opinion.


I made some high res scans, these are huge so be warned. Check out the cheek of HRH on the loonie...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2011...nobverse.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2011...nreverse.jpg

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