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Canada Silver 5 Cent 1903 -- Small Or Large H

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 Posted 06/05/2011  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I see are small H's . When you have each in hand it's like looking at the 1965 pointed and blunt five. Sometimes your mind tries to trick you into thinking... oh it's a such and such. But when you see how obvious the point is on a pointed five, it's just so clear.

The same thing applies here I think. When it's a large H with the two big squares comprising it's center, it's just so plainly clear that it's a Large H.
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 Posted 06/05/2011  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice overlay DV,
Wish I had the technology and expertise to do that
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 Posted 06/06/2011  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugly - Can you post a picture of a large H so we can see what one looks like? The 3rd coin I posted seems to have the least "slanted roof" effect but still slanted some.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the best picture I can find of a large H at the moment. Maybe Ugly or someone has something better.

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 Posted 06/06/2011  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even at that size, I can see the difference to my coin.
The interiors portions of the H are noticeably larger.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a better shot, my camera is being really flaky on macro at the moment and it's prevented me from posting some pictures of ten cent toners for the grading subforum. I am undertaking to acquire a new SLR.

I do have a large H in mint state and it has the two large square open areas. The small H has the upper monopoly house I spoke of.

I mean, this is how I've always diagnosed them and this is what I saw in the first pic of this thread. If anyone has a better diagnostic method for these, please do post it! I'm not worried about being wrong in the least, it's just what my grandfather taught me and I've never looked into it beyond that. I've never tried any form of spacing attribution at all on these, they are too consarned small for me.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not that I don't believe Ugly but wanted to see if there is any other way besides shape to tell one from the other. I saw too many pictures today while looking around that were attributed Large H but had different shapes to the inside of the H's in some cases. That and the hockey game was beginning to irritate me a bit

So I decided to measure the H's with my little usb microscope and found that 3 of the 4 I uploaded pictures of are essentially the same height and width but one of them (2nd certified one just back from ICCS) is the same height but 10% wider (measuring device came in at .46 for 3 and .50 for number 4). Not really conclusive but thought I would throw it out there anyway. I measured each H on each coin 3 times and took the average. The next plan is to get my hands on one attributed to be a large H and see what I find.
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 Posted 06/08/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It seems to me that the H of the 1902 large H and the 1903 small H are the same size. And that's what leads to a lot of confusion.

The sequence should be called something like

1902 tiny H
1902 small H
1903 small H
1903 large H

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 Posted 06/09/2011  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marjonbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just tried out that theory on the raw 1902 H 5 cents I have at home... have to grab the TPG ones and look at them as well but quick numbers look like this (since I don't know if the actual measurements are accurate on this USB scope treat them as a ratio) I may only have the 1902 tiny H rather then the small. Oh.. and the Canucks - Boston game

1902 Small .5 tall Tiny H?
.35 wide
1902 Large .65 tall
.54 wide
1903 Small .61 tall
.46 wide
1903 Other .61 tall This is the one TPG small H but is larger than the other one TPG graded small H
.50 wide

Nothing really conclusive other than there were probably a number of H punches each year maybe? The small 1902 above is also shaped a lot different than any of the rest of the 02 or 03 H's I have

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Also wondering if anyone has a theory on what someone did to cause the damage pictured below?

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 Posted 11/07/2012  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian Beaver Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have some good pictures to help you with determining the large H from the small H
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 Posted 11/09/2012  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cameron93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 11/11/2012  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian Beaver Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try to load the pics now

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 Posted 05/04/2013  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add northcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to me the small "1902" H has little or no serif's - the large "1902" H has full serifs and is larger in size. cameron93 in his pictures shows this difference quite well.
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