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 Posted 05/17/2011  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The latter showed silver almost flatlined for 30-40 years.

Yes, PMs can go through prolonged flat periods... but what an opportunity to build a nice PM retirement fund!
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 Posted 05/18/2011  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I always notice most of you who are all way more knowledgeable about not just pm's, but the stock market and investing as a whole say that when it drops, it is because people are selling. O.K., yeah people are always buying and selling. Every time one sells, there is the opposite end of the spectrum via the buyer.


You're right, since there is always an equal amount of buying and selling, on casual examination, it doesn't make sense that prices should ever change. There's a big California dealer who has a daily wrap-up on his site, where he mentions why prices went up or down. He also talks about store traffic, and whether people are buying or selling. Often, he'll say that buyers outnumber sellers 2 to 1, yet the price is dropping! How can this be?

First, you have to recognize that it's all a game, and the score is kept in money. There are little players and big players, like penny ante poker and guys who'll bet $100,000 on a hand.

For instance, we watched a Clewless Gnubee™ at a show debate whether he wanted to buy one silver round for $9, or get 3/$25. He finally decided to go for the big bucks and handed over two twenties with the comment "money just seems to disappear", while we politely nodded in agreement. It was hard to keep from laughing with him in earshot, since she had just seen me pay $4400 cash for a few items on my want list.

On the other end of the scale, a dealer friend of mine asked a secretary to stop on her lunch hour with a $93,000 check, and he'd return the wire she sent. An odd request, until he pointed out that she accidentally wired $93 million. Not only did this company have $93 million in their account, but it didn't strike anyone as unusual that they'd have a purchase that size!

To most of us, a single contract of gold, about $150,000, is a huge amount. If the dealer in CA had a couple sellers like that in a day, it might be obvious that selling outpaced buying in his microeconomic outlook. I've read more than one account recently where buyers have paid cash for a TON of gold--24,000 ounces. You could have two hundred sellers each selling 100 ounces, and their combined sales wouldn't even come close to that single purchase.

As you can see, micro- and macro-economics can be doing completely opposite things. The big players win or lose based on how well they anticipate what the market will do (or increasingly, whether their computer program outmaneuvers the other guys). The little guy places his bet and rides the wave.

So back to equal buyers and sellers, prices change according to the volume of each. As silver went up over the last year or so, fewer people had silver to sell (once they sold, they were out), and those who still had it had to be offered higher prices. After it hit $50, people figured it was a good time to take their profit, and the more who sold, the lower the price they could get, because the buyers had what they needed.

If you were paying attention, there were dozens of posts on ccf, all saying the same thing: When/if silver hits $50, I'm going to dump all mine, sell everything but my core collection, expect the big traders to sell, get rid of stuff I think I can replace for less money, etc.

So why is anyone surprised that there is at least a short-term adjustment, and since the long-term picture hasn't changed, why is anyone surprised that sellers who might have sold at $50 don't want to take $35? The little guy is still buying for the long haul, and he wants hard metal, not paper, and they can only make so many coins and rounds at a time.

After the market, all the "experts" tell you why commodities, or oil, or stocks, or bonds, went up or down. They speak with authority, is if it was obvious why the price changed as it did.

Ask yourself a simple question. If it's so obvious why any given price changed, why didn't you make a few million by buying or selling, since we all knew (for example) that xyz co was likely to declare a $abc dividend or quarterly profit?

Because they don't know a bit more than you do. Mutual funds don't do better than throwing darts, and spend billions on experts trading to do it.
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After the market, all the "experts" tell you why commodities, or oil, or stocks, or bonds, went up or down. They speak with authority, is if it was obvious why the price changed as it did.

Nobody has a clue as to what the future WILL do. Many guess about what it MIGHT do and... sometimes they even get it right. Mostly not, though.

Personally, I find all the "experts" babbling about why what happened the way that it did pretty useless. It's like those people on CNBC telling us to buy a stock that has already gone up 120% this year. Tell us that BEFORE it goes up 120% and THAT will be some valuable info. The rear view mirror report does not help us invest. For that, we need to do our own research and then make our own best guess. It is just that too... an educated guess perhaps but a guess nonetheless. More times than not, we will get it right but sometimes not. It's usually about a 2/3 vs. 1/3 chance in my experience. I make money at it and don't have to pay an "expert" to be no more right about such things than I have been. Shrug.
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Hopefully Silver will shoot up to 700,000 per Gram :)
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Hopefully Silver will shoot up to 700,000 per Gram :)

SWEET! I always wanted to be a multi-billionaire... even if it is in funny munny.
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