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 Posted 05/22/2011  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chadwick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is why I don't like buying from the bay. There are honest dealers there doing business. And I won't even buy a bullion coin unless the dealer seems to be a coin dealer with SPOTTLESS feedback and return policies.

As a result, I rarely buy on the bay. I'm still working mostly on my Lincoln Cent collection and there are a couple I don't expect to have for some time, if ever. The 1909 S, either version for instance. Every time I start saving for them I end up using the money on Morgans somebody is offering me at a "can't pass up" good price....

Cheers
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 Posted 05/22/2011  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1877 IHC is an easy one--it has a bold N reverse.
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 Posted 05/22/2011  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This sellers PCGS MS63RB 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent is the same *identical* item posted on CoinForgeryEbay's Flickr with the Chinese forgers watermark removed.

ebay Listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-Linc...170644340553

Flickr photo with Heritage pedigree link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../5471257928/

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 Posted 05/22/2011  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Please no returns this money is going to be donated to help the needy from a deadly tornado that happened on 4/27/11.
I'll be happy when this listing is pulled--just reported it.
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 Posted 05/22/2011  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its really hard to tell...They will all have the same serial number...I won't buy one from ebay ever..
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 Posted 05/24/2011  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All gone. Including the extremely brazen relists after the originals were removed. I think the account will be disabled soon, unless it was a hijacked account which is very likely.
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 Posted 06/06/2011  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mikecouil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow...just wow...
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 Posted 07/22/2011  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Forgeries continue to pop up on ebay every day. Some are fairly pricey.
The PCGS and to a lesser extent the very scarce NGC forgeries often bring in large sums.
Virtually all of the following counterfeits were eventually removed by Ebays T&S. Hopefully the duped buyers
were properly informed. Chinese coins are hugely popular among the counterfeiters due to their growing
popularity.
Here are a few recent examples.

1) Sold for $10,475 July 1st.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

2) Sold for $2,125 June 19th.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

3) Sold for About US $6,486 June 19th. NGC themselves confirmed this forgery.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

4) Sold July 17th for about US $1,684

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

Many more counterfeit types are listed by sets. Just click unto any coin for enlargement.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/sets/

Or you can use the Photostream.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/


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 Posted 07/22/2011  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the bad links.

Corrected links.

1) Sold for $10,475 July 1st.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

2) Sold for $2,125 June 19th.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

3) Sold for About US $6,486 June 19th. NGC themselves confirmed this forgery.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

4) Sold July 17th for about US $1,684

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

Many more counterfeit types are listed by sets. Just click unto any coin for enlargement.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/sets/






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 Posted 07/22/2011  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Double take on those prices 1 st one thought it was $ 10.00 ..... maybe that's what it first cost ? Unless pure.
Do you know what the metal composition was /is?
on the high end forgeries ?
Thank You for the pic. post
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United States
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 Posted 07/22/2011  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The vast majority of the counterfeits within these fake holders are produced using the correct alloys. That info is directly from the Chinese forgers themselves. They take pride in their work.
ebay will remove all PCGS and NGC counterfeits from their data base once the item is brought to their attention. Whether the listing is active or completed is irrelevant. Rarely is one able to correspond with a duped buyer of this material due to listing removal. The removals usually occur prior to the buyer posting any feedback.
Over the last few years these fakes have improved in quality. I fully expect this trend to continue.
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United States
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 Posted 08/04/2011  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese are now even producing PCGS fakes of modern Gold Pandas.
The following photos are from a Chinese website where the seller gloats about how much money one can make on ebay with these fakes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo.../photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinfo...photostream/

Counterfeits grouped by sets.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/sets/
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 Posted 08/04/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If so, then what's the amount over which you would never buy from ebay? I am thinking $100?

I have purchased coins over 10x that amount from ebay before. Its not a certain amount of money involved its your knowledge about the coins you are buying that is important

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Chinese website where the seller gloats about how much money one can make on ebay with these fakes.

That is a site I wish was taken down, because you can buy everything from $5.00 ear buds (for ipod) to Gold coins on that site, and they are all fake and they don't mind letting you know they are fake either. All they keep saying is how much can be made from them
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 Posted 08/05/2011  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add forgerywatcher1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur that these websites should be shut down but unfortunately many are out of the reach of US authorities.
With such a huge influx of counterfeit coinage and ever improving quality it is an absolute must that collectors show due diligence and do their home work prior to any major purchase.

Five years ago most of the Chinese fakes were laughable but that is no longer the case. I hate to see the quality of fakes 2-3 years from now. There is a huge market here and the Chinese are fully aware. They are determined to get a huge piece of the action.
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