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 Posted 06/10/2013  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list
While I agree with what you are saying basebal21 I think it is more mental than actual. I was checking the contents of my wallet this morning as I was getting in my truck and all I had on me was three $1 bills. My thought "Damn, I don't have any money today!" So while I agree people view change as less valuable than paper bills if it doesn't have at least a 5 on it, it should be viewed as "pocket change".
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 Posted 06/10/2013  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Marc I completely agree. To me a dollar is a dollar no matter what form it comes in. I could see how some people would view it as less, likely someone who money burns a hole through their pocket. I would rethink my stance if the dollar as a coin caused prices to rise. Youre spot on though that anything less than a 5 now is really pocket change. Having only a few ones would make me think I hope I dont need emergency cash today. You cant even get a 20 oz bottle of soda out of a vending machine for a dollar anymore.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
Totally mental...in at least two ways.

The big complaint that I hear most frequently of "I don't want to carry $10 worth of coins in my pocket" generally holds no water. If you're carrying around $10+ of coins in your pocket, you're doing it wrong. How often does anyone have 10 paper singles in their pocket/wallet/purse? Rarely. If you find yourself in that situation, you're likely to "color up" to larger bills ASAP (as has been previously suggested in this thread).

And even $10 of golden dollars isn't really all that big of a deal. 81 grams or roughly 3 oz. They'd probably end up in your dashboard somewhere anyway, just like nickels, dimes, and cents do now.

Now as far as physical money instruments disappearing in favor of cashless transactions, that would probably take decades to happen. As has already been written, people value anonymity for certain types of transactions and that's never going to change. And that anonymity currently requires a cash transaction. Also I'm sure there would be issues with transacting with lesser-developed countries. And let's not forget about us collectors! We need something to collect and not all of us can afford the ancient stuff.

Sadly, given our Congress and some of the more pressing agenda items, I don't think that much will change in the next 10 years, but one can hope.... personally I would like to see:

o cent discontinued completely ASAP (maybe with a well-deserved ceremony / collector release for the Lincolns that have been minted for over a century!)
o nickel seriously considered for discontinuation, but that would likely require killing the quarter too (and possibly going to a 20-cent piece).
o re-introduction of the half dollar coin into circulation.
o paper dollar discontinued and replaced with dollar coin
o two-dollar coin minted along with ramped up production of two-dollar paper bill (gotta save those Cranes I suppose). Yes, this seems silly but no sillier than minting dollar coins at the same time as printing dollar bills.

I'll add that I am not in favor of switching to steel coinage, but I don't really have a leg to stand on there. Except for it makes no sense to switch cents and nickels to steel. At this point in history they'll always be losers no matter their composition (I say that even though I love collecting them and will always and will continue to do so if they are steel in the future).

A guy can dream!

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 Posted 06/11/2013  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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And let me just add that there are billions of these coins just sitting idly losing out to inflation instead of functioning in society. The problem is in the distribution of these coins to where they precisely needed. Couldn't the BEP take distribution information from $1 bills and carry it onto $1 coins? Supply the areas that demand the cash and bring over extras to make it worth the trip if freighting is an issue.

Distribution isn't really a problem. Discontinue the note and as they wear out and can't be replaced distribution of the coins will take care of itself. As the banks try and order the dollar bills that are no longer available they will receive dollar coins and two dollar bills. Since that is all they get, that is what the banks will give out to their customers. And they will circulate.



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o two-dollar coin minted along with ramped up production of two-dollar paper bill (gotta save those Cranes I suppose). Yes, this seems silly but no sillier than minting dollar coins at the same time as printing dollar bills.

That would be a mistake. You would just be repeating the error we currently are doing with the dollar coin. The twos would circulate while the two dollar coins would accumulate in storage. Forget the two dollar coin for now and just ramp up the two dollar notes. Since people DO prefer to use paper the twos WILL circulate and no one will ever have to receive more than one dollar coin in any transaction. This avoids the "coins weigh too much" problem. Especially since any time they have two they can swap them for a note. Then in say five to ten years THEN you can introduce a two dollar coin, but this time eliminate the two dollar note at the same time and ramp up the fives.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Duke to your friends list
I'm all for it and was surprised to see my former congressman Tim Penny (D-Minn) as co-chair. He has a lot of common cents. Now, if he would tackle his namesake, we would be even better off.

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 Posted 06/11/2013  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list
I like what you did there The_Duke! Very clever!
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 Posted 06/11/2013  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list

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That would be a mistake. You would just be repeating the error we currently are doing with the dollar coin. The twos would circulate while the two dollar coins would accumulate in storage. Forget the two dollar coin for now and just ramp up the two dollar notes. Since people DO prefer to use paper the twos WILL circulate and no one will ever have to receive more than one dollar coin in any transaction. This avoids the "coins weigh too much" problem. Especially since any time they have two they can swap them for a note. Then in say five to ten years THEN you can introduce a two dollar coin, but this time eliminate the two dollar note at the same time and ramp up the fives.


I agree.

Our experience here would be like all the countries that have done the rational thing and circulated the $1 coin; people would soon want a $2 coin as well since coins are far more convenient for small purachases than bills. Coins are less likely to carry disease and getting a coin out of your pocket or purse doesn't let pickpockets or muggers know where you keep your cash.

To make this work we need to eliminate the wasteful cent and convert the nickel 5c coin to a cheaper alloy like aluminum. The nickel can simply be demonetized by being good only for making change.

Everyone wins, the economy improves, and the taxpayers save lots of money.

I'd be one of the few real losers because the demand for quarters would drop well below the number in circulation forcing them into storage where they won't wear out. There would still be millions of nice XF 1992-D quarters around for 25 years.

Our economy is founded on waste so it's hardly a surprise our coins and currency are found on waste. The system is busted and I don't expect it to ever be repaired.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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If these coins were the size of dimes you'd all be complaining that they're too light!
Preach on, brother!


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nickel seriously considered for discontinuation, but that would likely require killing the quarter too (and possibly going to a 20-cent piece).
I am all for nixing the nickel. As long as we have two dimes, there is no need for a Twenty Cent coin (just as two quarters has made the half dollar unnecessary, although I would not mind the half making a comeback). If the Twenty Cent coin is reintroduced, it has to be significantly different from the quarter.

I do think we can keep the quarter in circulation without the nickel. Sure, people will be confused but that is okay.

Yes, I am being selfish. Make them NIFC at least. As long as I get to finish my ATB album, I am good.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tornandfrayed75 to your friends list
I worked an event in Louisville, KY this past weekend and was able to meet and talk with you S Representative John Yarmuth. I asked him about the future of the dollar bill and the penny. He let on that everyone in the House and the Senate realizes that eliminating them both is the thing to do but it seemed like he felt that the tension and hostility between the two parties makes getting ANYTHING agreed upon almost impossible.
So I say.....I'll believe it when I see it.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaintRidley to your friends list

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Our economy is founded on waste so it's hardly a surprise our coins and currency are found on waste. The system is busted and I don't expect it to ever be repaired.


You sound like you've been reading some Žižek, namely that modern capitalism's only contribution to the world is waste (aquired through forced obsolescence). Of course, that's probably not where you were going with that, but it made me smile a little.

Absolutely on board with your post.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matchbox to your friends list
It's going to happen eventually.... the end of the paper dollar and stop minting the one cent coin for circulation.

However, it's the lobbyists fighting the change but will have to give in as more people become aware of the cost savings.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people frightened of progress and fight it every step of the way.
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 Posted 06/13/2013  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA.

Who in here suggested A CASH CARD?

I'm one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet, and for me a large part of "liberal" means "the right to act as you will as long as it isn't hurting anyone" (which is why, much as I hate them, I support the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to have a website; picketing funerals should be illegal, but when it comes to what they put on the internet or carry on signs at ComiCon so everybody can laugh at them, First Amendment all the way). I don't want the government knowing when I pick up an extra $15 for babysitting or give two bucks to the saxophonist on the corner or make a potentially sensitive purchase (and in this day and age, a Planned Parenthood bake sale or a chalice for my altar could be a potentially sensitive purchase). It is, as one of my uncles would say, "nonna their ding-dong business."

Then, too, there is this: Mom sends teenage son to the corner store. "Pick us up some milk and bread," she says, and hands him cash. He comes back with milk, bread, change, and possibly a candybar. Now let's pretend she hands him one of these ID cards. Now what? He can't run his mom's errand because it's not his name on the card, and please, let's not waste time blustering over given situations, etc. I worked in a gas station for two years. You don't accept a credit card that has a name not belonging to the person using the card. Period.

And do you think for a single moment that vulture capitalism* wouldn't find a way to take advantage of this and scam the dickens out of people? If you do, you have a lot more faith in large-corporate America than I have.

It's an all-around bad idea and I hope it takes off about as well as a lead zeppelin. A change to our coinage I support; going to plastic? Never. I'd find a way to live on the barter system first and tell Big Brother to stay out of my life.




*not to be confused with free-market capitalism. I'm all for free-market capitalism. I'm against things like charging someone $900/month for a medication that cost $10/month to make when their options are "pay the $900, or die." Hence, vulture capitalism: circling and circling until you can collect off the carcass.
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 Posted 06/20/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
I found out that Hong Kong has both a circulating 10-dollar (the name is misleading, 10 Hong Kong dollars is about $1.50) coin and bill. I wonder which one is used more?
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 Posted 06/21/2013  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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(the name is misleading, 10 Hong Kong dollars is about $1.50)

Not misleading, 10 Hong Kong dollars is 10 Hong Kong dollars. What it's exchange rate value is is immaterial. $10 Hong Kong is $1.50 US, but it is $45 Taiwan. And it is other amounts in the currency of other countries that use "dollars".
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 Posted 06/24/2013  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list
The argument that you could end up with a very heavy wallet I think is actually wrong. I live in a place with banknotes down to the lowest denomination, and we hardly see coins here at all. I have a ton of these little, almost worthless banknotes in my wallet. Would that mean I'd have a ton of them if they were coins? No.

When I have lived in places with coins like this (being quite a few countries) I have either used them up to make my wallet not so heavy, they are easier to throw out of your wallet into your hand, and for those of a dollar or 2 dollars worth, you're far more likely to use the coins than the banknotes.
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