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 Posted 05/31/2014  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
congratulations arianzo



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When doing this game do you use pencil and paper or do you use some program on the computer?


paper and pencil - the only true way of playing this game.
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 Posted 05/31/2014  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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paper and pencil - the only true way of playing this game


I used to do that (and yeah, it goes through a LOT of paper).. but I know Excel and its formulas so I figured I could put it into a spreadsheet. I had a small one going for playing, and then Scooby sent me his one for hosting. I've expanded both, and each needs updating all the time because each game is different in terms of number of currencies (sometimes we only do 7 or 8, sometimes 10), etc. The formulas also need adjusted daily because it also keeps track of daily guesses per person. Keeps me on my toes.

But then you have times like last night when the blasted thing didn't want to work. Computers are wonderful things when they actually work right, and will drive you mad quickly when they don't!

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 Posted 05/31/2014  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johntookit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations arianzo and thank you xshift for the hard work.
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 Posted 05/31/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure I had fun with it.

Arianzo, don't forget to send me your address!
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 Posted 05/31/2014  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh yeah, I got delayed saying thank you xshift...my nap went 16 hours instead of just a couple!!

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 Posted 05/31/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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When doing this game do you use pencil and paper or do you use some program on the computer?


so how about it arianzo, paper/pencil or a spreadsheet/app?



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 Posted 05/31/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Computers are wonderful things when they actually work right, and will drive you mad quickly when they don't!


Computers are as good as the person who put the data into it and that's not me.
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 Posted 06/01/2014  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all

weavus135:

This was my first time playing this stuff.
I used Excel but I didn't use any formula.
The main advantage is the order, that you can copy-paste the currencies guesses knowing that you don't make mistakes. Also, you can use different colors and all the information is in just one sheet. Finally, you can use the "undo" option if you do a mistake. I did made a mistake and I undo like 20 steps back. Doing that in a paper would be complicated.

As a host I could consider using formulas but even if I've an intermediate-advanced level in Excel, as a player ... it would be too complicated, there are 12 currencies. More than a formula you will need an algorithm.

xshift:

99% of the times, it's not the computer fault, it's our fault.
When someone tells me that the computer is doing a mistake, I answer: "Look, it's possible, but 99% of the time it would be your fault".
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 Posted 06/01/2014  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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99% of the times, it's not the computer fault, it's our fault


well, you must use something other than Windows! LOL There are so many bugs in that thing no way it is 1% it's fault...more like 50% if I am being conservative!

Congrats again. You did amazingly well for a first time player. that last answer came even quicker than I had predicted it would.



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 Posted 06/01/2014  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats again Arianzo.

I used a combination of Word for copying and pasting and paper and pencil. I thought about trying Excel. I may do that next time. I am a programmer and I could probably write something to do this for me, but I have resisted doing that. I like trying to figure it out.
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 Posted 06/02/2014  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mine helps keep the guesses and currencies straight and helps me with my next guess, but I don't think ANY formula is going to figure it out. It's definitely a brain-stretcher figuring out the formulas for some of it; it was fun to make and really is an ongoing project.

But yes, copy and paste is your friend when it comes to the guesses. Back when I used to do it with pencil I mis-wrote a couple of them, and that can really set you back.
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 Posted 06/02/2014  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Belated congratulations! I got pulled away from the interwebs on Friday and I am so sorry I could not continue to participate. I really hope there is another MasterMind soon - at least I can contribute with comedic relief.
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 Posted 06/02/2014  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can do another one soon if somebody else doesn't start one before then. Maybe in 2-3 weeks after everyone's brain has recovered from this one

We once had a mini-championship mastermind, with 4 rounds and then a 'mind-off' for the winners of the 4 games. Just imagine how mushy their brains felt after that!
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 Posted 06/02/2014  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weavus135:

There are bugs in Windows because it's a huge platform where you install many software that are created by different companies.
But I meant Excel, where even if a bug is possible, 99.99% is the user's fault until he realizes the mistake in the formula.

perfessor:

If you are a programmer, it would be like a challenge for you to create such algorithm. However, effectively to use it during the game would be like "boring" because it would be just a copy-paste like a robot, without analyzing anything.

xshift: Some rounds should be funny. So, if you are the winner of one round, you don't participate until the final?
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 Posted 06/02/2014  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, if you are the winner of one round, you don't participate until the final?


Nope, everyone played the first 4. Then just the winners of them for the last one. They were all back to back, so everyone got increasingly punchy, it was very funny.
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