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NGC Conservation: Making Light Work Of Heavy Residues

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 Posted 06/24/2026  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Remarkable improvements, yes.
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 Posted 06/24/2026  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
I wonder if doing the conservation work themselves makes NGC more amenable to straight grade the coin.
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 Posted 06/24/2026  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
Everytime I see a coin conserved I always think . When I conserve a coin it's cleaned when a TPG conserves a coins it's a higher grade :)

The examples above were well done.
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 Posted 06/24/2026  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
If you know your stuff and have some basic knowledge
of chemistry , results such as above are easily attainable
at a huge cost saving to yourself . The grading services
Charge crazy money for what you yourself can do for a very Minor cost .

Coin A . Since the reverse crud was obviously soft and not hard ,
was restored using acetone soak , then reconditioned with Coin
Care or a similar product .
Coin B .. This piece was probably given a very quick swirl in a mix
of Sudsy Ammonia and warm water .Then quickly rinsed with very Cold water . This is the go to fix for minor hazing on US 90 per cent silver Proof coins .
Coin 3 . This result is easily attained using first a light acetone soak to check for active PVC , then after it dries applying MS70 .
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 Posted 06/24/2026  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
I thought that MS70 is immediately noticeable by TPGs and will earn a Details grade?
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 Posted 06/24/2026  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Hardly, if you use it right !
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 Posted 06/25/2026  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list

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This piece was probably given a very quick swirl in a mix
of Sudsy Ammonia and warm water

@ Pacificoin and would that mix be 50/50? Please share. I have a few good examples to try it out on. Thanks
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 Posted 06/25/2026  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list
What is MS70?

I thought was a grade.
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 Posted 06/25/2026  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
"MS70" is a grade. It is also the trade name for a coin conservation product. Example for sale on Amazon.
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 Posted 06/26/2026  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
MS70 is a water-based caustic cleaner. It's primary ingredients (besides water) are potassium hydroxide (a strong alkali, designed to dissolve corrosion without dissolving metal or reacting with metal oxides or sulfides - so it dissolves the green stuff but leans toning and tarnish alone) and 2-butoxyethanol, which acts as a degreaser (removing PVC goo, fingerprints and the like - in effect, a slightly weaker version of acetone that's less volatile and less flammable).

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I thought that MS70 is immediately noticeable by TPGs and will earn a Details grade?

Assuming you've used it properly and rinsed the coin off after treatment, there's nothing in MS70 "to leave behind". Unlike verdi-care, MS70 is not intended to leave behind an invisible coating. 2-Butoxyethanol will degrade into volatiles and evaporate after a few days in open air, so as long as you wait a couple days before sealing the coin up and shipping it off, I can't see it being "detectable" by 21st century science.

Now, if the original corrosion was bad enough that the underlying coin was pitted or otherwise damaged, and MS70 removed the corrosion that was hiding the damage, a TPG should be able to see that damage and give your coin a details grade. But that's not the fault of the MS70; the coin was already damaged before the treatment, the treatment merely let everybody see the damage.
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 Posted 07/03/2026  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list
Very interesting
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100% agree with @Pacificoin. These 3 can be done at home.

As for MS-70, it's a quick dip and immediate rinse. Try these on less valuable coins first and it does not always work for difficult spots.
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I wonder if doing the conservation work themselves makes NGC more amenable to straight grade the coin.



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Everytime I see a coin conserved I always think . When I conserve a coin it's cleaned when a TPG conserves a coins it's a higher grade


That's the racket.
While what they're doing here might appear magical to the totally uninitiated, it's super trivial basic junior high school chemistry that most anyone could do competently... the catch is, they straight grade the 'conserved coins' they execute whereas the identical outcome as an external submission is often details, since the unnaturally bright surfaces and other telltale signs of cleaning they nail on a random submission are basically waved if it's via their conservation service.
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Interesting conversation!
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