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I picked up this coin today for SHAFTA9a, and it was graded as "VF"--undergraded perhaps? The obverse and reverse fields are nicely flat and reflective, which is hard to capture but my photo gives a good impression overall.   |
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the obverse is closer to XF, but the reverse crown wear knocks it down to VF. a very nice coin regardless.
-Steve
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04/14/2008 11:48 pm
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Steve, If you're familiar with this series, I'll certainly bow to your knowledge here, as I don't collect NFLD large cents. That said, this coin has good amount of original luster on the obverse and reverse which the photo doesn't accurately convey. Regarding the reverse, I would say the apparent crown "wear" is more due to how contact affected the toning versus actual loss of detail by wear. I thought at first the central support of the crown was very flattened from wear, until I compared to an MS64 coin from Heritage (below). Overall the reverse detail/luster doesn't suggest typical VF wear patterns to me. However, if Shafta9a isn't happy with this 1904H, she's welcome to return it...I love this coin!  Edited by KurtS
04/15/2008 12:46 am
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the leaf wear and the crown on the reverse are VF type wear - overall it's either a high VF or low XF. I tend to grade more conservatively so I would go with a VF grade. I also like that chocolate brown color it has - a classic example of that coin.
if Shafta9a doesn't want it, i'll take it.
-Steve
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Ok, you may be right--because I'm not very familiar with this series. I consider myself a conservative grader too, I just tend to weight the obverse which certainly isn't VF wear--imo. Yes, great color! Edited by KurtS
04/15/2008 12:58 pm
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Well.. Kurt, I received the Newfoundland coin today,and I'll tell ya what boys(like the Newfoundlanders would say) she's a beaut I would say you are right Kurt,in saying that it has retained a good amount of original luster.  I would grade this coin between EF-40 and AU Very well pleased, Thanks, again  |
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Mary, I'm glad you like the coin...I suspected it was under-graded--and a good buy I do this from time to time when I see a great coin another collector might like. In case anybody is curious--I purchased this from Tim Yager of Arroyo Grande, CA. I've bought many nice NFLD coins from this dealer. |
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Yeah, that is certainly an EF.
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showed the picture to my mentor - he said it's a nice coin but he would call it a VF based on the reverse. I told him he taught me well. he still won't let me buy anything.
-Steve
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he said it's a nice coin but he would call it a VF based on the reverse.
You, your mentor, etc. are entitled to their opinion, but I'm going to disagree here. Personally, I find it a bit tenuous to insist on grading a photo--without seeing the coin in person.  I stand by my call that "VF" is undergrading for the reasons already provided. Above all, I'm happy that Shafta likes the coin--I'll let her be the final judge. And, if I were to venture a guess, ICCS would grade this at least XF40. I've seen enough ICCS slabbed coins to know that much. I do hope my point here is well-taken. After all, I simply posted here to share this "beaut"; this wasn't a grading forum request. Edited by KurtS
05/02/2008 12:22 am
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no problems Kurt - I agree - you have to have the coin in hand to really come up with a grade. I was commenting more on the fact that the reason I came up with the VF was how I was taught to grade and that my teacher concurred with my grade. I guess I learned to undergrade - which may or may not be a problem ;)
it is a very nice coin and beats the snot out of my same date coin. I would buy it if I came across it, that's for sure.
-Steve
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Steve, Yes, it's tricky to grade from photos which is why I chose to augment the photo with a description. I think this particular case also underlines how strike and toning may contribute to a perception of wear. Note how the lack of high-point reverse details coincides with obverse relief? A similar situation happens with NFLD small cents on the reverse--irrespective of grade. Just my observation--cheers. Edited by KurtS
05/02/2008 2:06 pm
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