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1946 S 1c OMM S Over D

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 Posted 10/05/2021  02:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

This doesn't look like 001 but it does look like an Over Mark. Location looks similar. VLDS and Die Deterioration contributing to a dramatic look? I also see what looks like a secondary D mark to the east of D. Just PMD? Weighs 3.08 grams. Looking for opinions on this, thanks.





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 Posted 10/05/2021  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of wear so unlikely to verify, but I just did an overlay and it matches up very well with OMM-1 so I [prematurely] say congrats on a very nice find. Though that D really stands out much more on yours than on the plate coins and I do see the extra bit to the east.

edit: hard to tell if yours is the trumpet tail or ball serif style.

http://www.varietyvista.com/02a%20L...6SOMM001.htm
http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...ie_state=lds
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10/05/2021 02:52 am
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 Posted 10/05/2021  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks CentSation, in the MDS and LDS examples you can see the beginning separation in the lower east portion of the S.
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10/05/2021 02:49 am
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 Posted 10/05/2021  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find!
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 Posted 10/05/2021  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what it should look like:

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 Posted 10/05/2021  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like your find. There's a lot going on with the MM and I see the hook coming off the bottom right of the primary MM.

Nice input from Centsation with the overlay and assessment.
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 Posted 10/05/2021  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But the OMM is not on the OP's example.
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 Posted 10/05/2021  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But the OMM is not on the OP's example.


Thanks Coop. So do you think this is a new RPM or that what is going on with the MM is just damage or a large die chip on the MM.

The hook coming off the bottom of the primary sure looks like the curve from a punch, but maybe it's just another S punch or maybe a die scratch.

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 Posted 10/05/2021  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Petespockets55, I agree that maybe this is a new OMM/RPM.

Coop, get ready to make a new info graphic for this one :)
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 Posted 10/05/2021  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is strange. I would think that in 75 years someone would have discovered something this big. So I'm going to say one of a kind damage.
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 Posted 10/05/2021  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a lot of circulation flattening and damage (blow) to the mintmark. I need to be convinced more on this one. Coop? Pete?
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 Posted 10/06/2021  12:24 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wholly damage imo. If it were the OMM, you should still be able to see the vertical bar of the D above the lower serif.
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 Posted 10/06/2021  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am going to have to agree with the last few posts. As neat as it looks, this Wheatie has had a rough life. I'm not sure how anyone could tell if this was even close to being an OMM due to its condition. Believe me, I would love to see one. I think we could beat on this one for weeks but I just don't see how one could say definitively that this is an OMM. Just MHO here.
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 Posted 10/06/2021  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another angle and side by side.

There is a visible vertical bar Tanman, its just angled different.



From this counter clockwise rotated orientation of the "D", the hook to the east looks more in line to be a rpm as well. IMO
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 Posted 10/06/2021  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note around the date devices, there is a lot of questionable marks on that upper areas of the digits? If this were a die error, there would be almost a million of these out there in better condition. I would mark it for now to save to a while. Probably a normal examples of this coin are out there. But to me it is questionable. The mark to the east on the field could be a die scratch. So until more examples of this die are found, I question this one.

Even PCGS gets coins wrong:
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/35976856
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...s-1c-rb/2748
The image is not a 1946-S Graded wrong.
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 10/07/2021  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop, sounds like you are pivoting from a hard no to a maybe.

I've got emails out to Jwex and others so I'll update as soon as I hear anything.

Best Find - 1976 D WQ DDO-001 http://goccf.com/t/382777
Interesting find - 1947 S over inverted S http://goccf.com/t/368005
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