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Doubled Die Or Mechanical Doubling - 1912 China Empire Dollar

 
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 Posted 01/27/2022  10:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add leonardpusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
As shown here is 1912 China Empire XuanTong Year 3 dollar, doublings present on letter ONE DOLLAR. Is this real doubled die or Machine Doubling? Thanks in advance for your opinion.

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01/27/2022 11:02 pm
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 Posted 01/27/2022  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real doubled die imo. Cool find!
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 Posted 01/28/2022  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leonardpusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tanman but I honestly think it is Machine Doubling. Lets see others opinion.
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 Posted 01/28/2022  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that might be a first, someone disagreeing with me calling their coin a doubled die.

I say doubled die because of how the doubling fades away as it gets closer to the rim. Plus you can see doubling on the finer, lower-relief details like the scales and the clouds. Both of those characteristics I would not expect from typical Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 01/28/2022  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leonardpusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for being the first person...I really hope it is doubled die. As I mentioned in another post, I hypothesized that we should find two more world (China) coins with identical doubled die. I did find several this coins, they would prove my hypothesis if it is real doubled die.


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 Posted 01/28/2022  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leonardpusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The doublings of this coin likely occurred during the die struck on the planchet? It is tough call, the coin presents flat doublings to me.

Another reason that I have doubt on this doubling is a sale listing, see below picture. The listing says it is PCGS designated doubled die, however it can not be found by PCGS Cert#.
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 Posted 01/29/2022  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a genuine Doubled die
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 Posted 01/29/2022  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JDRMCB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found a TDO write up that mentions a DDO for the same year but it's a ghost!! I can't find info or pic on it anywhere..all PCGS links to it are broken.


https://www.PCGS.com/news/PCGS-reco...se-varieties
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 Posted 01/29/2022  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add leonardpusher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ThatCoinDud and JDRMCB for your opinion. I leant many from your explanation, thank you again Tanman!
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