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English Hammered Silver Identification - Edwardian?

 
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 Posted 01/30/2022  2:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chirrrs to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have three coins here that appear to be English hammered silver, possibly all from Edward I-IV. I looked at some that I believe were from a Henry and there were some similarities on at least one of these. I'm pretty new to ancients and medievals, so I have tried just using online resources so far. I haven't yet bought any books as I'm still trying to figure out what I would like to focus on. I'm also a little concerned about the authenticity of these, because while they're certainly not expensive, they just don't sound like silver to me. They have no ring to them. Would I be able to test these on a sigma tester? Anyway, here are the coins and what my best guesses are, hopefully this forum can shed some light on these. If additional photos or closeups are needed, let me know and I can take more!

#1 - Edward I (Canterbury)
This is the one I feel the most sure about. Legends are pretty legible and I was able to read CANTOR on the reverse.



#2 - Unknown
I can't read anything of the legends on this one, as it seems to have been smashed pretty good. Based on the cross and reverse design, it looks like maybe Edward I or II?



#3 - Unknown
This one is giving me a bit of trouble. There are good amounts of the legend that are legible, but I can't seem to find anything that matches with it. On the obverse at 4-6 o'clock it looks like I can make out DVS. Maybe the end of EDWARDVS? After that, REX is clear. The next letters are AN, then it starts to get hard to tell. Maybe an R or X? The fourth letter is barely there, but it could be a D. On the reverse, LONDON is legible enough to make out. The circle in the centers of the three petals is something that I was having a hard time finding in examples online. Maybe that can be a helpful characteristic in identification?

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On #3, I think ... DVS REX ANGL ... with small rings (annulets or annelets) as punctuation, is clear enough to go with.

When looking at coins like this, I always try to remember that they were copied all over the Low Countries, and if there is a monarch's name or reverse inscription that doesn't fit, it is likely to be one of these official imitations.
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Also on #3, the rev seems to read LON DON CIVI TAS, so you have the mint.
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#1 is Canterbury and the obverse legend is EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB. This means it is Type 10 or 11 (1305-14).

The crown is the main diagnostic, so going any further is tricky. By the apparently healthy left ornament, I would go for Type 10, probably 10ab6 (1305) but possibly 10cf1-2 (1305-7). That's Edward I.

What's the weight and diameter of each of them?
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#3 is London with an obverse legend of EDWARDVS REX ANGLI(E) and annulets in the legend and between the pellets on the reverse, which makes it Edward III.

The Ns are Roman, not Lombardic, with the bar reversed, which I think makes it Class C of the 4th coinage, Pre-Treaty, 1351-1352 (S 1584) like this http://www.yorkcoins.com/h5198_%E2%...don_mint.htm
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#2 has little to go on. The reverse has CIVITAS, which means it's London, Bristol, Canterbury, Durham or York.

The obverse seems to have REX at the bottom, so if it is an Edward, the legend would have to be EDWARDUS REX ANGL FR, EDWARDUS REX A(I)N or EDWARDUS REX ANGL(IE), which is Edward III. But Richard II and Henry IV-VI would also fit.

I would guess that with an absence of annulets, saltires or mascles and a wide crown, it's Edward III.

It has a pellet stop before REX and the middle of the reverse seems to have a pellet in the centre, so it could be something like this Treaty Period (1361-1369) penny, with EDWARDVS REX ANGLI, although I don't know about the mint (S 1630) http://www.yorkcoins.com/h3170_-_ed...ork_mint.htm
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What's the weight and diameter of each of them?


They're all about 3/4" diameter, or 19mm. Weights are as follows: (1) 1.2g (2) 1.0g (3) 0.9g

Thank you for your help by the way! I didn't know that the crown was the most important distinction between these. Any books or websites you can recommend on Medieval English coins?
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