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1922 KGV Halfpenny With Blank Obverse

 
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 Posted 06/05/2022  9:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,
I did a little dabble on eBay auction and scored this 1922 halfpenny with a blank obverse side.
I promised myself that I wouldn't get too excited with copper coins as I have tons of them already and there seems to be limited interest in the pre decimal coppers.
However, I don't have any like this, so I thought maybe just this one time......

Once it arrives I'll take some better pics and post them here

Cheers



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06/05/2022 9:55 pm
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 Posted 06/06/2022  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume that this coin is underweight, because even the reverse rim is not there, which suggests that all of the reverse design including the rims, has been removed.
If it had been struck with a blank reverse die, the reverse rim would have remained.

It is very necessary to accurately check the weight of this coin to prove the above comments correct or otherwise.

Standard weight is 5.67 grams, + or - remedy allowance.
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 Posted 06/06/2022  04:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It is very necessary to accurately check the weight of this coin to prove the above comments correct or otherwise


That makes good sense. Once it arrives I will drop it on the scale.
If it is underweight, it will be returned.

Cheers
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 Posted 06/06/2022  04:35 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see similar UK halfpennies in dealers' junk bins over here and the general consensus is that they were used on shove ha'penny boards, a popular pub game, still played in some pubs over here. The constant rubbing of the coins on the board would wear down whichever side was in contact with the wood, and it's also possible that some players deliberately smoothed down one side of their coins to make them move better on the board...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shove_ha%27penny
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 Posted 06/06/2022  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ ttkoo

Did the seller state that it was an error coin, and if they did, what type of error did they say it was?
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 Posted 06/06/2022  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guessing this was done deliberately rather than the result of extended wear.
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 Posted 06/06/2022  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Guessing this was done deliberately rather than the result of extended wear.


Yes,90% sure its PMD.
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 Posted 06/07/2022  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When a coin is converted from a blank into a planchet, a rim is put onto the edge of a coin, both sides at the same time.
Thus, the rim is already there, both sides, when the planchet is struck into a coin.
If the rim is missing from one side only, it must have been removed after the planchet was struck into a coin.
It follows that that the OP's coin is not an error, but must have been deliberate post mint damage.
Hence my comment that accurate must be known to confirm deliberate PMD.
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 Posted 06/07/2022  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Did the seller state that it was an error coin, and if they did, what type of error did they say it was?


The listing was titled "1925 Australian Half Penny - Error"

However the description was very precise.....

"Front is completely smooth....please refer to photos for your own opinion"

There is a term for this in most parts of the world.....'sucked in'

Anyway, the coin will be returned as it is not as described..."Error"
There is no error involved, apart from my judgement.

If for some reason the return is not accepted I will put it down to experience, and then I will probably negatively review the seller at every opportunity until Hades freezes over.

"don't get mad..... get even'

Appreciate the responses given....


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 Posted 06/07/2022  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would send it back.
"No returns accepted" means nothing.
Ebay sellers have to accept returns.
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 Posted 06/09/2022  06:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It is very necessary to accurately check the weight of this coin to prove the above comments correct or otherwise.


Well my fantastic one sided halfpenny arrived today in the post.

Nice call Sel_691, although I didn't really need a scale, as the coin is about as thick as a sixpence.

On the scale it is 4.77 grams.

I've decided to keep the little gem as a reminder to use more diligence in the future. I will still communicate with the seller and thank him for the shove ha'penny, (in my own very special way)

Cheers
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 Posted 06/09/2022  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add debono to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reading his reviews (negative and neutral) he would appear not to be trustworthy. His response to the reviews says heaps. Such a shame there are people like that.
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