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Wowie 1802 Large Cent! Pre-Strike, Post-Strike, A Little Of Both?

 
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 Posted 08/19/2022  10:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello Everybody! It's a glorious day... I'm just going to post this and not comment unless asked. Take a good look! 1802 S-236 for the variety. Have fun!

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 Posted 08/19/2022  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes a lot going on with this coin. I'm interested to see where we net out on this one.
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 Posted 08/20/2022  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No one? Really? If it helps, I'll add the variety is known heavily bulged behind the head, between the ribbon knot and the curl. Anyone? It's like the coin had amnesia, and walked into my store. It can't tell me what happened to it...
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 Posted 08/20/2022  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell if that's a die clash with UN behind Liberty's bow or if it was just whacked with another coin. The reverse looks deliberately notched all the way around. I have no idea what distinguishes an S-236.
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 Posted 08/20/2022  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were die clashing, there would be a Positive image of the clashed design (like hubbing the obverse die with the reverse die). If someone pounded a reverse on top of the obverse in some hammer or vice scheme, how would that get around the diebulge? If it were a true overstrike on a brockage error, then what else happened?
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08/20/2022 4:07 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2022  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oldgrouchyguy-So what is your opinion on this coin?
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 Posted 08/20/2022  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Check CarrsCoins's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i think the most likeley explanantion for the incuse bit is post mint damage. someone smashed the reverse of a different coin into the obverse of this one using a press or a vice or some such. probably done to emulate a brockage.
i like large cents. I currently have >220 Sheldon varieties and >230 middle date Newcomb varieties.

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 Posted 08/20/2022  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see a "vise" job, or something alike. This coin obviously got smashed at one point or another, and I think there was another coin on top of it.
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 Posted 08/21/2022  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's this (the reverse of an 1816 Large Cent)
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 Posted 08/21/2022  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, the presser used a different Type for the impression... if you follow the impression pattern, it seems to be over the lines, which are really weird. Pics tomorrow
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 Posted 08/22/2022  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If it were die clashing, there would be a Positive image of the clashed design
While I agree that what we're seeing is likely intentional, I disagree with this statement. When one die whacks another die and leaves it's design, it is effectively creating a coin/hub on the other die (a "positive" image). When that die (whose clashed areas are now effectively a "hub") then strikes a coin, those areas on the coin are essentially what the original die looks like - reversed, and incuse where elements on a coin are supposed to be raised, and vice-versa. I own several coins that demonstrate this, for example a Barber dime with the portrait outline visible on the reverse from a clash, where the portrait is clearly reversed and incuse into the field, and a Canadian Voyageur dollar with an inner ear clash on the reverse, which is a raised area on the die, then incuse on the clashed die, and subsequently raised on the coin. Again, I do think what we see there is deliberate, but a die clash could conceivably produce the same thing.
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08/22/2022 3:43 pm
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