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Any Ideas On This One (Id: 1659 Half Ducaton Spanish Netherlands)

 
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 Posted 09/24/2022  08:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dar76124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It was labeled as Spanish in a collection I purchased but I have been unable to identify it. 9.7g, 39mm

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 Posted 09/24/2022  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/24/2022  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@dar, yes not quite Spain but rather that coin is from the Spanish Netherlands. Based on the diameter, I'm thinking a Half Ducaton, but it then would have been 16g and 37 mm when first made, so not sure I've got the denomination quite right. Yours is dated 1659 AD and seems to be a match for this one:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17701.html

Added: @hond, I think you are on the right track, but those full Ducatons were very heavy—more than 32 g when struck, so it seems like the half is a better match.
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 Posted 09/24/2022  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Though even if it were clipped a bit and endured corrosion, I am struggling with a nearly 40% weight loss.(salvage coin?)
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 Posted 09/25/2022  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dar76124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is extremely thin, I'm wondering if it could be a contemporary counterfeit.
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 Posted 09/25/2022  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a Philip IV half ducaton like this, but not a micrometer ...

When I get a chance, I will get a thickness measurement.

On your side, if you can get someone to determine composition, that would help.
But it is not a valuable coin in this condition.
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 Posted 09/26/2022  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dar76124 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm aware it's not valuable in this condition but I would still like to know if it is legitimate or not. Coins like this have a story to tell even if we will never know all of it.
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 Posted 09/27/2022  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The overall condition of the surfaces reminds me of what we call "saltwater effect" and if so then metal loss due to crystallization/depletion of the silver content means weight and even XRF may be unreliable. This is common for coins recovered from saltwater beaches or from shipwrecks or the sea floor.

I do not know if the Spanish Netherlands coins had a large number of contemporary counterfeits so some research would be required to see if there are other examples out there which are documented as being counterfeits, and then you could compare for features.
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