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 Posted 11/27/2022  12:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Reading the article about the dime I could not understand everything PCGS I could not understand everything. For example, I don't understand this

"As a counter to widespread hoarding of silver coins in the early 1850s when the silver content of the dime (as well as the other circulating silver coins) exceeded its face value, the weight of the dime was reduced from 41.25 grains to 38.40 grains. To signify this change, an arrowhead was placed on both sides of the date. Otherwise, the Liberty Seated design remains the same as used from 1838 through early 1853. Large quantities were produced of the 1853 with arrows Philadelphia Mint issues; a coinage in excess of 12 million. Lesser quantities were made of other issues, Philadelphia and San Francisco pieces, through 1855"

1)What is grains? It says about the smartest weight from 2.67 grams to 2.48 grams.?
2)As far as I can see, coins of the type (1853-55) were not produced at all at the San Francisco Mint. What period are we talking about ? About what type ?
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 Posted 11/27/2022  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A grain is a unit of measure, literally based on the weight of an average grain of wheat or barley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_(unit)
By "other issues" maybe he's talking about other "with arrows" denominations or dates - there are 1855-S quarters and half dollars "with arrows" for example.
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 Posted 11/27/2022  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, he was suggesting that some, not necessarily all, of the other mints produced different denominations in the subsequent years.
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 Posted 01/03/2023  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went to the PCGS website in the Coins Fact section and then went to the Liberty Seated Dip section of the "Type 4, Stars Obverse, Arrows at Date" period. There is a quote written about this period and about this type of coins, which I indicated in the first message. I don't think we are talking about other denominations, besides, I won't be able to find other denominations issued at the San Francisco Mint.
Proof coins of this period were issued only at the Philadelphia Mint.
So what coins is the author talking about ?
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 Posted 01/03/2023  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Lesser quantities were made of other issues, Philadelphia and San Francisco pieces, through 1855"


The sentence is vague with the term issues. The author should have used the word denominations instead of issues.

The following coins were minted at the SF mint with arrows:
1855 S Quarter mintage 396,400
1855 S Half Dollar mintage 129,950
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The quote in context is here, for reference. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/cate...ated-dime/95
Since there were no With Arrows dimes produced in San Francisco in any year, the "other issues" has to mean other denominations and dates. They do phrase things in the wrong way, and make mistakes in these blurbs. Note, for example, that the paragraph fails to mention the With Arrows dimes produced in New Orleans. And under 1853-O, it says
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...-arrows/4604

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Despite the increased mintage, the 1853-O Dime is a true rarity in Mint State and it is, in fact, the rarest of the six With Arrows Dimes.
What are the 6 With Arrows dimes? I only see 5 of them - 1853, 1853-O, 1854, 1854-O and 1855.
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 Posted 01/03/2023  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 grain equals .0647 grams, therefore the earlier weight (without arrows at the date) should be 2.67 grams. The reduced weight (with arrows at date) should be 2.48 grams.
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 Posted 01/04/2023  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slider23 is close... there are also the 1873 & 1874 Issues with Arrows minted at San Francisco
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 Posted 01/07/2023  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "lesser quantities" refers to the 1853o, 1854, 1854o and the 1855. Of which none had over 5 million pieces struck. In 1856, the arrows were removed and would not return until 1873 for the same reason, to designate a weight change. Also, to state that the design remained the same since 1838 is inaccurate as in the first year it had no stars on the obverse and 1840 had a with and without drapery variety, a change which remained afterwards. On a side note, I've been on this series for several years and lack only the 1853 no arrows of those years.
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 Posted 01/08/2023  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Meaning died in editing.

What they meant to say is bold

"Large quantities OF DIMES were produced of the 1853 with arrows Philadelphia Mint issues; a coinage in excess of 12 million."
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 Posted 01/20/2023  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the sentence should sound something like this ?

"Large quantities OF DIMES were produced of the 1853 with arrows Philadelphia Mint issues; a coinage in excess of 12 million. Lesser quantities were made of other denominations and dates, Philadelphia and San Francisco pieces, through 1855"

If there are a lot of mistakes in their texts, maybe one of the participants will tell me where I can read about all types of American coins?
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 Posted 01/20/2023  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe you are correct. No other interpretation comes close to making sense both with the words and the observed real life information.
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 Posted 01/20/2023  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If there are a lot of mistakes in their texts, maybe one of the participants will tell me where I can read about all types of American coins?


For a single reference source for all types of US coins at a low cost Red Book is what I would recommend. If you want in-depth information, you will need a reference book for each coin type. If you do not want to spend any money, the internet is the best option.
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 Posted 01/22/2023  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have this book, but there is very very little information about the coin itself, it is more a guide to prices and basic types. I would like to read about coins about their history. Briefly. I don't need books of 500 pages, literally 3-4 paragraphs.
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 Posted 01/22/2023  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might want to consider Walter Breen's Encyclopedia of US and Colonial Coins printed in 1988. A used copy on eBay goes for about $35. Breen did have a tainted personal life and some of his poor ethics did leak over into his writings and studies of numismatics. Some of his work was outstanding and still used today as reference material.
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