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1798 Or 99 ? Large Cent Identification Needed

 
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 Posted 12/04/2022  06:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This coin is in pretty rough shape but it is the type that
may turn out to be that diamond in the rough.


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 Posted 12/04/2022  06:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an enhanced photo of the date: good luck on this one.


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 Posted 12/04/2022  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm that fourth digit of the date doesn't look like a six to me. Perhaps an eight instead?
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 Posted 12/04/2022  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't be a 1796.
Draped Bust design; not Liberty Cap.
Describe it as if there were no picture.
Picture it as if there were no description.
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 Posted 12/04/2022  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jdcag5775 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either 1798 or 1799. I'm leaning towards '99. The 4th digit looks like a "9"
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 Posted 12/04/2022  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can't be a 1796.
Draped Bust design; not Liberty Cap.


There were both liberty cap and draped bust large cents in 1796...

Looks like 1798.
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 Posted 12/05/2022  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I might just take a gamble and send it in to PCGS in hopes that it is a 1799. In CoinFacts a P1 grade for a 1799 1C is $2750 retail. I assume that a P1 grade is the absolute bottom of the barrel for any coin's condition.

A) Could PCGS refuse to slab it because it does not have a back?

B) Are there slabbed coins out there similar to this one without backs?

C) If PCGS refuses to grade it, should there still be a grading fee assessed?
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 Posted 12/05/2022  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does have a reverse (you say back) - it's just that the design elements have worn off.

Yes - PO01 is the lowest grade possible. Your coin even if dated 1799 would not receive this grade due to the environmental damages/corrosion.

Your coin at best will come back as a Details coin. Numeric grades for TPG coins are reserved for only those examples that have not been tampered with.

Yes - you pay the full PCGS grading fee (plus shipping both ways) just for them to look at it. It does not matter whether or not the coin is judged to be genuine and/or receives a slab.
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 Posted 12/05/2022  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The grade "should" come back as a P01 ED / Corrosion. It's up to you to gamble the money in hopes it's a 1799. Might want to consider ANACS to save a few $ since grade is less in doubt. Attribution is a specialty of theirs.

My date set of large cents is P01-G4. P01 is the best many of us might do on a 1799 :) The coin is what it is, but there is still a market for rare and even Details early large cents.
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 Posted 12/05/2022  11:42 am  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS likely could send it back unholdered with an "Authenticity Unverifiable" label.
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 Posted 12/05/2022  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the T in Liberty over the forelock (coin's not S-188 or S-189)...
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 Posted 12/06/2022  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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..will come back as a details coin.


Would the slab also have the word, 'genuine', printed on it along with the 'details' designation?

'Genuine' is really all that I care about since it would be only a hole plug anyway.

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 Posted 12/06/2022  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Check CarrsCoins's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i agree with what oldgrouchy guy said. the t in liberty is in the wrong spot to be a 1799.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a 1798, and it is one of the varieties with the type 2 hair. I haven't done any other in depth sleuthing on it. And no I don't believe it is worth sending in.
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