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Austria (Salzburg) Pfennigs For ID

 
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 Posted 12/09/2022  8:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chirrrs to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I don't know much about these, but the only info I have is that they are from Salzburg in Austria. Does anyone have an idea of the date or any other info for these?

Thanks!



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 Posted 12/09/2022  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For comparison. Your lower right coin pasted to right.

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 Posted 12/09/2022  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding upper right coin: I've seen similar coats of arms for Leonhard von Keutschach.

Here's an example
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72978.html
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Best practice is to post only one coin per thread so that we can give each coin the appropriate amount of attention. With that said, the one in the upper right is a bit later (151x AD). Here is a link to a similar uniface pfennig:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...=1&es=1&ot=1¤cy=usd&order=0

Added: Dang it Bob—you are too fast with these IDs. I can't hold a candle to you.
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 Posted 12/09/2022  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave, think's it's an "L" below the coat of arms, or an "I"? I was reconsidering my initial call on that one, based on this question. But I don't know the series, and so I don't know if there is a coin that fits (with an "I" below).
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Yes good point Bob. It should be a letter L for the bishop's first name, but clearly looks like a letter I on the op's coin. That turnip is his family's shield. Maybe struck from a faulty die?

Added: The soonest after Keutschach that I can find the letter I being used is for Johann Jakob Khuen von Belasi toward the end of the 1500s. His shield features a lion rampant though:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72976.html
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Wow, I appreciate all of the responses so far! Thank you so much. I'm not very familiar with Austrian/German/Hungarian medieval coins, my focus has been on English and French and only recently started including Spanish. What literature should I be on the lookout for for these Germanic regions? Normally I try to do a good amount of research beforehand and just hope for confirmations of my evaluations, but I'm truly in the dark on these! I'll try to break them up in the future. Just knowing what resources to consult would be a huge step in the right direction. The Germanic coins are kind of the last of what I consider the "Big Four" of Europe (England/France/Spain/Germany) that I just haven't got into yet because I know that their regional history is so fractured that it seems to me like it would be the most difficult of those four. I guess my "Big Four" should probably be expanded to a "Big Five" eventually to include Italy, and I imagine that Italy will be every bit as complex as Germany in that sense.
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the upper right coin is a pfennig of Leonard von Keutschach, dated 151x (the last digit is unfortunately cut off), and the I is supposed to be a L.

I don't think I've ever seen one of those with the date moved that far to the right, though. Maybe it's a contemporary counterfeit?
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Friedrich the Handsome, 1314-1330 for upper left. Mermaid wearing pointed hood for obverse.



Silver Pfennigs and Small Silver Coins of Europe in the Middle Ages, by David P. Ruckser and Lincoln Rodrigues is helpful for these issues. The PDF used to be available for free via Numista. These days it may be on academia.edu and other sites...I don't think it's on Numista anymore, but I'm not sure.
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