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 Posted 12/09/2022  10:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stvnnvts999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently picked up this raw 1921 Peace dollar for around $150 and I think that the coin is good enough to justify sending it in for grading.
I think that the coin is good enough for a VF30 grade but what do you think?


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 Posted 12/09/2022  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note grading and shipping fees will add to the total cost if you select to get it grade, although 1921 is a key date, but in lower grade it would not be worth while in my opinion.

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 Posted 12/09/2022  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it is not worth sending in for grading. It has been improperly cleaned, maybe not harshly cleaned, but it probably would not straight grade at a major TPG. There is also something going on under the ear (obverse) the runs to the right below the hair.

The details are VF and $150 is not a bad price for what it is.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF35 details, obverse damage.
Probably not worth spending $40+ to get it slabbed, but any 1921 Peace is a keeper.

The flattened rim below 192 in the date and above ..ES OF.. on the reverse is interesting; mild die misalignment perhaps or something else?
Most 1921 Peace that I see have very strong rims.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stvnnvts999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF35?
hmm, Interesting.
Not too sure if I agree with the obverse damage. I think what you perceive to be damage is a small group of dings in her hairlocks that the lighting make it out to be much worst than in person.
Im pretty confident that it has the potential to straight grade.




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 Posted 12/10/2022  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has no doubt been cleaned.

It will not straight grade.

If you refuse to listen to us, send it in to get graded, and consider it tuition.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stvnnvts999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not too sure about the cleaning part.

I see no obvious hairlines that indicate that its been cleaned.

You can find plenty of other VF graded dollars that straight graded with this general look to them that probably have table marks on them from being slid across a table at one point but in no way is it related to cleaning.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you refuse to listen to us, send it in to get graded, and consider it tuition


Your money. It's a low value coin.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you send it in ANACS will cost you the least.After you get the coin back from whoever you send it to,please post a photo of the full front slab...thanks.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin exhibits a diagnostic defect that is spottable and repeatable.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF

I agree that based on these photos I question if the surfaces are authentic (ie not cleaned). You have the coin in hand and sound confident in your views so let us know what the TPG says.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interested in learning how all this plays out.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30 sharpness, unsure from pics if cleaned, but definitely not worth grading fees.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  09:14 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree it has mid-VF sharpness, and I wouldn't consider any 1921 Peace to be a low value coin. The photos do suggest a past cleaning, but that might just be due to harsh lighting. The coin in hand might look fine. That said, I don't think getting it graded would add any value to the coin and I personally wouldn't bother.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with pretty much everyone. VF details. the original surfaces have been removed. its not harshly cleaned but would still detail.

even if it graded straight its not worth slabbing. put it in an airtight or an album and call it a day or you'll lose a significant amount of its value getting it graded

i agree with BH1964 regarding the price you paid but its borderline for slabbing. personally I would never send a coin that I thought was going to detail to have it slabbed. if you use PCGS the lowest subscription is like $70 plus grading cost plus shipping and insurance both ways. you have to decide if thats worth it. from a personal standpoint if I had to purchase this I would not pay more than $150 regardless if it was slabbed or not
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 Posted 12/10/2022  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm pretty confident that it has the potential to straight grade.


It could. Many obviously cleaned coins like this one are in straight graded holders. It's one of the reasons CAC was formed and is now starting a grading company. What has become market-acceptable for problem-free is, in some cases, ridiculous. The original patina is 90% gone from the coin in question. That only happens when it's cleaned

Also, gradflation is so rampant that coins previously graded Choice Very Fine are being called About Uncirculated for example. It's really gotten to the point that only money drives numismatics and new collectors at being driven away. Off my soapbox now.

Best of luck to you. $150 wasn't too bad a deal here. But even if it were a problem-free VF35 there is nothing to gain by TPG unless you want to try it for fun. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's your money.

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