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 Posted 02/01/2023  8:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bored one2014 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this what die clash is ? Has impressions on both sides. Photos show it fairly well I think. Also could you surmise the color, condition and possibly a ballpark value ?

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 Posted 02/01/2023  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bored one2014 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry. I rotated it purposely so the error image was in perspective.And thanks for the info. Upside down clash. Too bad it wasn't upside down AND on copper.
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 Posted 02/01/2023  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Check Dearborn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's ok, I'm just used to (and my eyes have been trained) to view the coins upside right and in my mind I can flip it over to compare sides.
Also, I hope you don't think the clash is upside-down, I only said that because the image is upside-down.

It is a nice find on this zinc cent.
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 Posted 02/01/2023  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aye, a clash it be...
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 Posted 02/01/2023  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KyWahine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!
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 Posted 02/02/2023  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice die clash, and you should be able to find a match for your records on the clash site.
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 Posted 02/02/2023  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find! It's not as common to find the clashes intact, on both obverse and reverse. As for worth and condition, yours looks to have made it around the block a time or two, rough rims but looks good for a zincoln. The selling prices are all over the board, on the bay but would think yours would be in the $5 to $10 range. Good pics are a must, if you try to sell it though.

Here is a link for listed die clashes. https://www.maddieclashes.com/

Here is a link for some "sold" coins on the bay. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk...H_Complete=1
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 Posted 02/02/2023  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to value,IMHO under $2.
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 Posted 02/02/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be, John. The only reason I think a little more, is the fact there is strong clashing on both sides. Usually, one or both have been abraded away. Lots of factors though, how well the coin is presented, starting price, shipping cost, length of time of the auction, type of auction and who is looking, at the time. Most clashes that are sold, just show the obverse, this well.
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 Posted 02/02/2023  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are from a striking event, where the machine doesn't have a planchet between the dies. Thus the outlines of the dies will clash together, damaging the other dies. What will that look like? It will transfer the outline of the bust design to the reverss dies fields. On the obverse die you will see the outline of the reverse design on that die. This is cause by a strike without a planchet. On your coin, it is an example that this event happened before your coin was struck. what areas will be transferred? How can you tell. With an overlay we can see what areas can be affected:



I have hundreds of these overlays to show what areas could be affected. This damage is polished off of the affected dies, polishing off the fields. These lines will show on the fields of the die. The coin struck after these events will show the damage that happened during the strike. Probably the number one reason dies are polished is to remove these clash lines as they happen a lot. The 1983/4 cents are well know to have most die polishing. These dies get real bad when you start looking more and more on these. (reverses show the most affected clash marks and the die polishing weakens these devices the most. This can be seen on any series. Sometimes the clash will be minor, or can be very strong. (I feel the strongest clash marks are possibly happening twice or more before the issue was fixed)
Sometimes you see where the clash mark is more than once:

Looks like at one time, the one clash happen a second time, and the die rotated a bit in the machine, thus making a rotation of a second clash on the die. They are often seen and overlooked. But common to find on some designs. These are die events,as the dies are the ones that suffer on this event.

CoopHome? What is a die clash? What causes these lines that are transferred? the dies suffer when a strike happens that has no planchet during the strike. The outlines of devices are transferred to the opposite die.
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 Posted 02/02/2023  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hermz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here was the one I found, cool find! http://goccf.com/t/370047
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 Posted 02/02/2023  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bored one2014 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. All your responses and helpful information got me kinda jacked. I'm very new to this and was afraid I was just being a bother with mundane stuff. I've learned a lot from info on the different forum topics. Thank you all. I'll be back....
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 Posted 02/02/2023  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bored one2014 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I'm thinking about it , is Rob Paulsen a credible source of information ? I like the way his sites are layed out.
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