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 Posted 05/30/2022  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Kipster, you will find silver is actually quite affordable, especially 1887 Jubilee onwards


To be honest, I've had my eye on a couple of George III pieces lately, and have been tempted, but I'm resolute in trying to finish my George IV pieces. Trying to find a half decent 1825 halfpenny at the mo with not much luck.
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 Posted 06/01/2022  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Evening all,

Another little addition to my George IV collection. An 1826 halfpenny. Quite clean with good definition, although a couple of minor marks in the fields on the reverse. I'd say EF or very near so.
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 Posted 06/01/2022  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kipster - that's a lovely halfpenny!
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 Posted 06/03/2022  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Evening all,

Forgot to post this one the other day. A gorgeous little 1862 penny. This one is one of my favourites with its milk chocolate colour.

Despite the obvious rim ding, touch on the knee and minor shoulder wear, would this pass as aUNC do you think?
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 Posted 06/03/2022  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Forgot to post this one the other day. A gorgeous little 1862 penny. This one is one of my favourites with its milk chocolate colour.
Beautiful example!
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 Posted 06/03/2022  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, Kipster - the detail on the Queen's hair and on the lighthouse is amazing!
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 Posted 06/04/2022  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, it is within a hair's breath of UNC, only the lightest rubbing on helmet and folds.
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 Posted 06/05/2022  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And now .. for something completely different! "What the heck is that?!" you might ask. Or (hopefully) "That's not to Tom's usual exacting standards!" And no, it's not. Frankly, it's a pretty banged up piece of ****. But something I've been after for quite some time now.

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What is it? Well, it's a later (probably 1641-1643) hammered shilling of Charles I, struck at the Tower (of London) mint. And it has a hole in it.

"But why did you buy it?" I bought it .. for the hole! (And it's the most I've ever spent on one!) Because the hole shows that this coin survived right through to 1697 and beyond. How do I know?

Well, by the end of the 1600s Britain's currency was in a terrible state. Supplies of silver had dried up despite the state-sponsored piracy. What coin was circulating was worn out and in some cases unrecognisable. And a fair amount of it had been clipped (an illegal practice with severe consequences for those caught doing it, where the edges of coins were trimmed of silver).

Given the irregular shape of hammered coinage generally it was often hard to tell without weighing the piece if a coin had been clipped. And so many took advantage of this. Unfortunately this meant that coin was often not accepted for trade abroad at face value, instead being smuggled out as bullion, a disastrous situation for commerce and for the general population who needed coins to spend.

So the Warden of The Royal Mint, Isaac newton, came up with a scheme to call in the old coin and replace it with a clip proof, harder to copy coinage where the face value no longer reflected the value of the metal the coin was made from. New additional mints to London were set up in Bristol, Chester, Exeter, Norwich, and York to assist. Between 1696 and 1700 the value of silver coin struck was more than 50% higher than for all the preceding 35 years.

However this took time to bring into circulation. All of the old coin had to be called in and melted down. And so it was decided that generally full hammered coin would be permitted to circulate for a bit longer at face value, provided it was officially pierced in a recognisable manner.

The piercing appears to have been a two part process where a small indent was made from one side and then the coin turned over and the hole enlarged. This ensured that no silver was lost in the process and made a characteristic mark.

Eventually all old coin was meant to be melted down and certainly, little of it was of the quality or condition for people to have wanted to hold onto it. Consequently such pieces that have survived until today are quite scarce, most having been inadvertently lost until now. I've only seen five other 'Recoinage' shillings of Charles I come up for sale in perhaps 20 years. This is in no way a 'perfect' example (I have my eyes on one I'd like, but it's currently been 'looked after' by another collector!) But it will do for now.

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Fascinating shilling, Tom. I'd read about these officially pierced hammered coins but never actually seen one.
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 Posted 06/05/2022  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a history lesson! Very interesting stuff that, I had no idea that that was what they did.

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Yes, very interesting. It also means that coin may have already been that worn in the 1690s.

As for piracy, well it was legal in the 1680s and 1690s and then in 1697 it became illegal as peace was declared with France and Spain (Until 1701 at least) and of course the most famous pirate I can think of being hanged at the time was Captain William Kidd in 1701 whose body was placed in a gibbet and hung off the edge of a dock to be washed over by the sea and as a warning to anyone else indulging in piracy.

Except come 1703, the English were at war again and piracy started back up, the 1710s was the golden age of pirates like Blackbeard!
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 Posted 06/06/2022  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lovely piece with a very interesting story behind it. Thank you for sharing!
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 Posted 06/08/2022  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An 1821 farthing to add to the collection. Slightest of scratches vertically below chin, but lovely condition.
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 Posted 06/08/2022  10:09 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful farthing, Kipster!
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