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1951 Voyageur Rev. 004/Obv. 001

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Looking for grading opinions on my newest dollar, a 1951 with SWL at the rear of the canoe. Lots of remaining lustre, but pretty baggy. Thanks!

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 Posted 11/05/2012  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking ef45 to au50.
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 Posted 11/06/2012  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmxboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/06/2012  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LaureateBust to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the opinions. My feeling was that it was either AU-55 or MS-60. I took more careful photos, which may illustrate the surface condition better than the first pair.

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too much ware on the face for it to be ms, maybe au 50 at best
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Am I the only one seeing VF30-35? Look at the hair, not to mention the innumerable field scratches. The only thing it has going for it is the face and the ear and maybe the hill.
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I think the hair detail is actually quite strong.

I'm still sticking to xf45 to au50.
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 Posted 11/12/2012  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LaureateBust to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it interesting that there is such a broad range of opinions on this one. Let me preface my comments by saying that these photos are doing a good job of picking up every minute surface imperfection. The first places I check for wear are the highest spots on the obverse. I concur with doubeeagle59 in that the hair detail is strong, as is the ear. The cheekbone and eyebrow are a bit harder to tell because of the highlights. Personally, I can't see the grade being lower than AU, and I'm trying to be as objective as I can. I would urge anyone offering grade opinions to disregard the first pair of images; they are a worse representation of the coin than the second set, for several reasons. Also, there is a large smudge, maybe from a thumb print, dominating the reverse near the top from 10 to 2 o'clock. It's hard to differentiate it from fine scratches. Thanks again.
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I think AU is definitely the grade.

We could debate back and forth if it's a 50 or as high as a 58.

I may have been too strict with an ef45 and I also doubt it's an MS.
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 Posted 11/12/2012  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any wear in the photos,I see a baggy coin that's toned in an unflattering way.MS62
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I have to agree with DBM that it does have a lot of superficial bag marks that detract from the whole. Theres not a part of the field that doesn't have marks. This coin was definately on the bottom of the bag. At the top of the date, the marks seem to criss-cross diagonally. Strange. AU at best.
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