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Pillar of the Community
 United States
624 Posts |
That's great! Forced Circulation!
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
I'm curious about the issue of coin travel time also. I noticed when collecting clad quarter earlier this year that there was an odd gap in recent (2008 to present) Denver quarters in my area (near Philly, so of course you'll expect a high concentration of P coins). My theory then and now is that coins take time to travel, and that coupled with the low mintage figures from the same time period meant fewer Ds to move around, and less time for them to do it. Whereas the older Ds had more time, so I had greater success at finding them despite their greater age and probable greater chances of going out of circulation due to culling, collecting, etc.
I would like to someday see someone do a more controlled study where they collect samples from collectors across the country. By this I mean reports of coins counted - say you go to a bank, on a certain date, in a certain zip code, pick up some rolls of coins, count them, then send in the stats on how many of each year/mint you found. Collect enough data in of this kind, and you could come up with some sort of measure of dispersion and how long it takes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: a more controlled study where they collect samples from collectors across the country I'm game; I'll send data--what day, what denomination, what criteria, to whom? edit: anybody need a graduate research project for their anthropology degree? or economics?
Edited by Garoyn 08/31/2015 8:46 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I live in NC and, while P mints are much easier to find here, It's not impossible to get D mints here either. In fact, I was able to get every quarter from 1965-1998 out of 1 box of quarters ($500)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I live in Edmonton, Alberta, and when I find an American coin mixed in with normal coins it is almost always from Denver. In my collection of State Quarters found in circulation, I have 32 from Denver compared to 17 from Philadelphia (and the majority of my duplicate State Quarters are from Denver as well). I wonder what the breakdown is like in Colorado?
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Valued Member
United States
61 Posts |
I've just done a huge cull of my circulation coins and have noticed that for State Quarters from 2003 until 2008 all the ones I need are D mintmarks. I've got everything from 1999-2002 D mintmark. Almost all of them needed are from the midwestern and western states. Trying to get territory quarters is even harder. I live near a large metropolitan east coast city and people travel extensively in this area. All of my folders need D mintmarks in order to be complete. I did receive a Guam-D two weeks ago. Have been waiting for at least two years for a 1968-D Washington quarter to finish that folder and begin another one. I have also noticed that when I do receive D mintmarked coins from circulation a lot of time the condition is terrible, especially for Lincoln Shields. I constantly try to upgrade my D mintmarked coins. That being said, the fun is in the search and the hole filling. It's always a great day when I find a keeper!
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
I have an idea of what I'd want to do at least in terms of data collection criteria, it's mostly a matter of figuring out how to set it up so that people can submit information to it easily (and also have it be easy to administer!). As far as analyzing goes, that becomes a statistics application. I'm not at all current in the sort of math that might be helpful but I have some vague notions of simply trying to graph the data and see where that goes (e.g. show me where all of the 1968 D pennies reported to date have been found)
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New Member
United States
20 Posts |
I noticed mention of Philly and Denver coins but what about the beloved :) S? Ive seen a few YouTube videos posted from folks in central and eastern zones that were giddy upon finding a 1970/71s LMC. Do you travelers find there is a concentrated area for these coins?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
998 Posts |
Since I moved to Arizona a few months ago I have noticed several more "S" cents and nickels in circulation and quite an uptick in "S" mint cents in box searching. I just went through $50 in cents this weekend and found a couple dozen 68-74 S cents, almost double the rate I usually got back in Illinois. I also seem to find more "S" mint Wheats as well but don't have real numbers to back that up.
In Illinois we seemed to be in the Denver Mint distribution region, "P" coins, while plentiful, were dwarfed by the number of "D"'s. Same here in Arizona, but there are even fewer "P" coins to be found.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
593 Posts |
I am on the West coast in Wa State and I still need some P mints for my state set. 14-18. Only found only one ATB P mint. Rolls of BU D`s from the bank. I could buy them but I like paying face. I would trade Denver for P`s but shipping would eat you up. I get quite a few rolls S`s LMC cents and some gold dollars Not Cheap, but I enjoy the hunt for modern coins.
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
I'm finally starting on a project I've had in mind for some time, which is to try to do a study on coin circulation by collecting statistics on coins found all across the country, analyzing the data, and then creating graphs and maps of the results.
I just started yesterday on the coding side of it, so there are no pretty pictures yet. Those will be forthcoming.
But I did want to start raising awareness in the numismatic community and particularly CRH types, as any of us who are willing to hunt through rolls of coins are probably also able and hopefully willing to spend a little extra time documenting some of their work as they go.
What I'm looking for is not only *what* you find, but *where* and *when* you got the coins. So for example, say you pick up roll(s) or box(es) of coins from a bank. I'm looking for a spreadsheet (prefer simple .csv format, easier to parse than raw Excel or .ods) which has meta information on the contents (what type of coin, what zip code the source of the coins is in, and what date you got them) in the filename of the spreadsheet. The contents would be simply the year of each coin in the first column, the mintmark in the second. If you want to add more fields for things like quality, variants, etc feel free to add those as later columns. I'm primarily interested in the date and mint (and where and when you got the coins - those are necessary components as well), the quality of the coin might be useful too, but I have not been making an effort to grade coins as I make my own spreadsheets. If others do, perhaps we'll use that data later on.
Where I see this going is a series of maps that show how coins circulate over time. The question in my mind that started this all was wondering, as someone living in the Philadelphia suburbs and seeing a large number of P minted coins, how far west I should travel to improve my chances satisfactorily of finding D mints more often. Is Pittsburgh good enough? Is St. Louis better than Chicago? That sort of thing. With enough data, the answers will be apparent.
So perhaps some of the more detail oriented among you already have data like this lying around. If not, please consider generating and sending me some in the course of your CRH activities. While volume is important (the more the better) I recognize it may add time to your normal CRH workflow to record your finds as you go, so I should say that any data I get is better than no data. Even getting a single roll's data from one person in one zip code in one year will add to the results in a way that dozens of boxes in a single zip code cannot. Volume of contributors is in some ways more important than volume of coins documented. I may at some stage even go as far as trying to get some mobile phone apps written to send info on individual coins, but that's farther down the road.
Feedback welcome!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The converse (perhaps) of this is that I live in Colorado and fairly frequently find D nickels from the 1950s. These things circulated for ~60 years and likely never traveled farther than 60 miles from the mint.
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
Kim Brown has hit one of my unasked questions. Where did the "S" mint marks get released? I save the older "S' coins as I CRH just because we don't see them in upstate New York. Proof sets are the source of modern "S" mint marks. I don't anticipate modern proof set coins in my coin roll hunting.
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Valued Member
United States
97 Posts |
When my kids and I put together our State Quarter collection, the P quarters all came from family on the east coast or trips to the bank for rolls on trips back east. On the west coast I don't remember seeing any P quarters until the series was well into the forth or fifth year. 30 years sounds about right for a distribution equilibrium between the two coasts.
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New Member
United States
28 Posts |
V, I'm hoping to prove that by illustration. All I need is a lot of raw data of coins collected across the country. I can't realistically travel around and do it all myself, so I'm hoping that I can enlist the numismatic community to help out. In the end we'll have a series of maps that show coin concentrations across the US with all sorts of different criteria (coins found in the same year of mint, coins from the last 5 years ago, etc) - the constant being showing relative concentrations of Ps, Ds, Ss.
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