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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36744 Posts |
Eliminate cents and nickels. Make $1 and $2 coins. Canada had the right idea.
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Valued Member
 United States
461 Posts |
Calculating the price of pennies: $50,000,000 annual loss divided by approximately 320,000,00 people equals 15.625 cents per year for every man, woman and child in the country on an equal per capita basis. Against the savings from not making pennies, the one time cost of the entire country converting to the revised system should be set off to determine the net benefit. The conversion obviously would be a lot easier than converting to the metric system, but it will require adjustments by all businesses (not just retail) and the government, although it shouldn't effect consumers very much.Think about the financial industry. Banks do business by the penny. Stocks and commodities are priced by the penny. Utility rates and charges are set to the penny. Also, unit priced, high volume goods such as nails, building staples, rubber gaskets, and many other such things are priced to the penny and often are worth pennies or less. I agree that there is a lot of common sense to the suggestions on this forum that it should be a simple matter to price by the penny, total the transaction up to the penny and then round to the nearest nickel. All businesses should be capable of doing this, but it will be harder for some (think stock market) and much easier for others (think retail). Making the change will certainly be an employment stimulus for all the computer programmers who will have to reprogram computerized accounting programs. I leave you to your own opinions about whether the $0.16/person annual savings is worthwhile.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2023 Posts |
Nobody buys stocks with cash, and hardly anyone uses cash to pay for utilities. All digital payments and payments through other instruments (checks, money orders, etc.) can still be done to the cent without the need for tangible coins. There would be virtually no impact to the banking industry, nor to any online retailer.
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Valued Member
 United States
461 Posts |
I agree that small retailers would be among the least effected. But the paperwork burden, including software programming work, could be quite significant for some businesses, although the expense may or may not be recouped over time. There never has been a free lunch, and all changes come at some cost. The costs always must be considered along with the benefits.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3402 Posts |
It's time to retire the cent...that's it.
KK
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4211 Posts |
 and no...get rid of it asap
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2463 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8938 Posts |
I say get rid of it, but keep them circulating. Don't make anymore just leave the existing ones to die on their own. No government collection, just let them wear to nothing.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts |
Quote: Think about the financial industry. Banks do business by the penny. Stocks and commodities are priced by the penny. Utility rates and charges are set to the penny. And banks still would. Frankly they already do business to less than the cent and then round That's what happens when you have fractional percentage interest rates. Stocks are prices to the tenth of a dollar and it wasn't that long ago they were priced to the eighth of a dollar and not having 12 1/2 cent pieces didn't seem to matter. As far as the utilities go they are done in fractions of a cent as well and then rounded. Eliminating the cent won't really bother any of these things. Quote: Also, unit priced, high volume goods such as nails, building staples, rubber gaskets, and many other such things are priced to the penny and often are worth pennies or less. And when you buy them you get quantities with the price rounded. And the PRICE doen't have to end in 5 or 0 it can be an odd number then the tax is applied and the final price is rounded up or down by the cash register which already has the rounding program built in. Quote: But the paperwork burden, including software programming work, could be quite significant for some businesses, What software programming? Quote: I say get rid of it, but keep them circulating. Don't make anymore just leave the existing ones to die on their own. I'm sure they would, and they will most likely be completely gone for all practical purposes in about a year maybe less.
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Valued Member
 United States
461 Posts |
Conder If we were in a totally cashless society where no one used cash in their business or needed towrite a check to someone who might want to cash it, we would have no problem. You ask what software programming I am referring to. The devil is in the details, and the smallest problems can cause unforeseen issues . Here, the small problem I see that will require software programming is the final rounding to the nearest nickel. It must be accomplished and accounted for. The business I recently retired from would have needed to hire a software expert to adjust our accounting and billing software to accomplish the final rounding. Bigger businesses could encounter more complex issues, smaller businesses are more nimble and can adjust more easily on the fly. In the case of a mom and pop specialty shop which might have a percentage rent lease requiring audit of register tapes, the business can avoid reprogramming or replacing the registers to do the final rounding simply by entering the separately computed total rounded down to the nearest nickel. But if the business is also using its registers for inventory control, problems will arise if each item is not entered separately in the register and the register will need to do the final rounding. In the case of banks, insurance companies, brokerages, and utilities, the problem arises when the business has to pay money to or make a refund to a customer. No one's customer agreement presently calls for the final rounding. Revision of all the agreements could be avoided by simply tendering the customer the actual amount due rounded up to the nearest nickel (the customer would have to agree to rounding down) this would result in a cost of up to 4 cents per transaction, and the accounting system would need to be reprogrammed in any event to account for the rounding. Certainly, the business could write a check for the amount due to the penny, but what happens when the customer wants to cash the check, rather than deposit it. So, the problem I see is in making the final rounding. Except in the smallest businesses, I see this causing software programming issues that will need to be dealt with. I learned over the years that even the smallest change comes at a cost.
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Valued Member
 United States
461 Posts |
Okay, I admit it. I had one of those "well duh" moments that makes me feel like a clueless idiot. I totally failed to consider the bazillion pennies that are already out there, including those that are out of circulation having been thrown into change jars and whatnot. These will return to circulation as needed, and I suspect there are more than enough to meet any conceivable need until we become a totally cashless society. We certainly don't need any more. I am firmly in the camp that says we should stop making them. I sure hope Conder sees this before he gives me another well-deserved brow beating.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
927 Posts |
I am curious to know what actually happened in Canada or other countries after the smallest coin was eliminated? Did actual retail prices change up or down? Were there complaints from the public? Were people actually cheated out of their cents (or whatever)?
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I sure hope Conder sees this before he gives me another well-deserved brow beating. That is not his style. 
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I am curious to know what actually happened in Canada or other countries after the smallest coin was eliminated? Did actual retail prices change up or down? Were there complaints from the public? Were people actually cheated out of their cents (or whatever)? We have no shortage of Canadians here. The lack of complaints tells me everything worked out just fine. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
8938 Posts |
Now here's an alternate thought. Yes it is true that it costs more than $0.01 to make a penny on each but what about the fact that it only cost $0.17 to make $100 bill? In all reality you're still turning a net profit in the end.
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