The Argus 26 Oct 1853
Shipping Intelligence - Arrivals
October 25. - Kangaroo, ship, 600 tons, Christopher Pickering, from London 26th June, Cape Town 17th September.
Passengers - cabin : Mr. and Mrs. Scaife, Mrs. Wetherhill, Mrs. Croger, Miss Bird, and Messrs. Bell, Black, Stratton, Withridge, Poppleton, Cox, Thomson, James, Stevens, and Master Ellis. Dr. Depus, surgeon. Henty and co., agents.
Where is Taylor's man, the engineer, the mischievous Mr William Morgan Brown?
Some commentary has Brown on the Kangaroo; if he is then he is not listed.
Also the Museum of Victoria and 'coins and australia' both claim:
"Scaife's wife and child were on board with him on the 'Kangaroo'".
Trouble is Scaife has no children at this point in time according to the genealogy sites.
First child is Ethel Maude Scaife born 1854 in Melbourne.
We are not just missing a Messr (Brown) but we are missing a non existent child as well.
Do note the date of arrival.
Not the 23rd (Coinworks and Sterling) or the 24th or the 26th ( Perth Mint and Museum of Victoria) or the 27th (dealer listing for a '54 token from the Exhibition).
People seem to be parroting wrong information.
Am I the only person who reads the newspaper?
I like holding up W Roth as a source of material that just gets parroted.
Roth spoke to Scaife and Roth reports in his 1895 article in relation to the Kangaroo:
"She arrived in Hobson's Bay on October 23rd 1853. Messrs Scaife and Morgan Brown, the later now deceased, were sent out as managers. "
How the numismatic narrative hasn't been questioned and disassembled in the past seems quite remiss of some of the more 'senior' numismatists.
Sharples debunks the whole Taylor myth in 2005 and Trove goes online in late 2009 so why are we here in 2023 with a numismatic "Taylor-centric" narrative that is just rubbish?
Shipping Intelligence - Arrivals
October 25. - Kangaroo, ship, 600 tons, Christopher Pickering, from London 26th June, Cape Town 17th September.
Passengers - cabin : Mr. and Mrs. Scaife, Mrs. Wetherhill, Mrs. Croger, Miss Bird, and Messrs. Bell, Black, Stratton, Withridge, Poppleton, Cox, Thomson, James, Stevens, and Master Ellis. Dr. Depus, surgeon. Henty and co., agents.
Where is Taylor's man, the engineer, the mischievous Mr William Morgan Brown?
Some commentary has Brown on the Kangaroo; if he is then he is not listed.
Also the Museum of Victoria and 'coins and australia' both claim:
"Scaife's wife and child were on board with him on the 'Kangaroo'".
Trouble is Scaife has no children at this point in time according to the genealogy sites.
First child is Ethel Maude Scaife born 1854 in Melbourne.
We are not just missing a Messr (Brown) but we are missing a non existent child as well.
Do note the date of arrival.
Not the 23rd (Coinworks and Sterling) or the 24th or the 26th ( Perth Mint and Museum of Victoria) or the 27th (dealer listing for a '54 token from the Exhibition).
People seem to be parroting wrong information.
Am I the only person who reads the newspaper?
I like holding up W Roth as a source of material that just gets parroted.
Roth spoke to Scaife and Roth reports in his 1895 article in relation to the Kangaroo:
"She arrived in Hobson's Bay on October 23rd 1853. Messrs Scaife and Morgan Brown, the later now deceased, were sent out as managers. "
How the numismatic narrative hasn't been questioned and disassembled in the past seems quite remiss of some of the more 'senior' numismatists.
Sharples debunks the whole Taylor myth in 2005 and Trove goes online in late 2009 so why are we here in 2023 with a numismatic "Taylor-centric" narrative that is just rubbish?
Edited by billenben
03/12/2023 7:17 pm
03/12/2023 7:17 pm
























