How Far Back Can We Go? Eighth Edition!

Today is 1414 (AH 817)

I have the 1413. Hopefully erafjel turns up.

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We need 1414 (AH 817)

Ok, I heard your call! (I'm no longer actively collecting coins and haven't logged in here for a while, but I'm always happy to help .)

France 1414, gros "aux lis sous une couronne", Rouen. Duplessy 384A.



This coin is listed as 1413 in reference works, so I will repeat the argument from previous Editions of this thread that makes it 1414.

The ordonnance for the coin was issued Nov 3, 1413, but that does not mean that minting began on the morning of Nov 4. First, an order to manufacture coins must be issued. In the case of Rouen, which is the mint for my coin, that order was issued Dec 8, 1413. That was the day the king (or perhaps his secretary) dictated the order to the royal scribe. That hand written order had to be copied, by hand, for all who needed it. Maybe that takes just one day, so we have Dec 9. Rouen is about 140 km from Paris, where the king sits. The order has to be sent by use of a horseman, who in wintertime can not be expected to travel more than 30 km a day, so the trip to Rouen takes five days. The mint master in Rouen will in best case receive the order Dec 14 and act on it Dec 15. Removing at least two Sundays, it is only 7 work days left until Christmas Eve, which marks the start of the Twelve Days of Christmas, during which no work is performed by any good men.

Considering the time it takes to cut dies, it is a very reasonable assumption that minting of these coins did not begin before January 1414! Add with this being a single issue (no more manufacturing orders are issued), no more coins are made when the requested number of coins have been minted. Starting in January, that end point will surely happen during 1414. (Numista even states demonetization to take place in June 1414.)

very nice add Era! and welcome back

Progress! Thx @era.

AH815 (1412 CE) Bahmani Tanka