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This is another one of my inherited coins from my
step father. Will be posting more as I go along.
Many will be offered up on here for sale/auction.
First set of images are scans. My dig. pics. came out crappy as usual. Just a tad disappointed with the grade but not much.
I had posted this coin on here a long while back before it was sent out for a slab. When I first saw it I brought it to a few local dealers (flipped only) They just quickly scanned it and the handed it back over to me. Been cleaned, not worth much of anything. Long story but they were wrong. Never saw luster before I guess on an older coin. One reason I thought it would grade higher. Rev. is really nice.
A few toned spots on the coin so maybe that was the low AU
grade reason. Anyway, just thought I would share.

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums...47Rayobv.jpg

http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums...47Rayrev.jpg

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 Posted 05/13/2011  01:21 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU50 sounds like a very fair grade and it does look cleaned but ANACS judged it to be market acceptable. It could bring $800 to $900 with the right buyer. Best of luck!
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What an awesome Sitting Liberty dollar! The Seated Liberty design is my favorite type! Did you inherit the coin slabbed or did you submit it after you inherited it?
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WOW ...very nice coin. I really love the details/strike.

I too would have wondered about the look of the coin, but it is nice that it
came back with out a problem. Coins like these, are old enough to have
gone through a period when it was acceptable to clean coins. So the look
would have made it suspicious.

Of course in my experience, pictures (my pictures), most time do not show
how the coin really looks in hand.

I find it strange that dealers would hand the coin back and say not woreth much.
Even if this coin was cleaned it still would have good value, in the low XF price
if it was cleaned. My guess would be they just wanted to get the coin very cheap.

This type coin is one of the last two I need to complete my 7070 Dansco.
But may be higher price that I am looking to spend. I am more of a VF
budget for this Dansco spot.

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That is a nice one alright.

I still have the 1872 Seated dollar I bought from you a couple of years ago in my 7070. It's a great coin - this are tough to find!
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Czar, I sent the coin in myself a few years ago.
I suggested it to him and he agreed. He himself had gotten
the coin collection from his brother after he had passed away.

Ken, Glad to hear you still have the dollar. And also that you liked it.

BH, I figured right around that price (800/850)
I sold some other coins yesterday to a local dealer
and he offered me 750 for this one but I declined.
Overall now I guess the AU50 grade from anacs is fair.
I will be setting up some auctions on here along the way
but not sure how some of the coins will do because of the prices. I would rather have someone have a coin that they really want then worry about the best price I can get. Will find a middle ground somewhere on pricing.

Thanks all for your thoughts also.
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 Posted 05/13/2011  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin looks like it has nice detail (can't see the luster though) and probably is market acceptable as an AU. However, the dealer is absolutely correct. That coin was cleaned at one time. The question for grading companies is, is it market acceptable? ANACS said it was and put it in a good holder. However, PCGS/NGC might not agree with that and might put it in a details holder. However, large, older silver coins like that are many times seen in "good" holders even though they're white. It's extremely difficult to find older silver dollars that haven't been messed with and they often demand a premium.

Indian1, I have a LOT of coins in my collection like yours, so I'm not putting your coin down...please understand. I just want to convey some more information on this thread as your coin is a great illustration.

Here is an example of my 1847 Seated dollar that I doubt anyone would argue to its originality and you can see what I mean. I bought this as an XF45, but I've showed it around and the general feel is that this could get an AU grade.

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Prethen's piece looks a lot like mine but with less wear. Prethen's looks like an AU50, but the lack of luster probably held it to XF. Here's my PCGS XF40:


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Prethen, No sweat. I never take anything personal said
about coins. As far as being cleaned who knows. It's been around a long time and I can only trace it back to the late
1800's as far as the owners go. The flip that it was in was getting pretty cruddy when I first saw it. Those spots I thought were grease at first. They are toned up some.
My problem with coins is my photos and scans. The dig. pics.
are horrible. Color is off and I tried to sharpen it with software. Made it worse :) I really looked at your coin and I think mine has slightly better detail. Your grade is correct.
On mine the rev. details are high AU. Obv. plus the spots/possible cleaning got it the 50. One thing I will state is that I believe anacs is more conservative than pcgs. I believed (and was nervous waiting:) that anacs would mark it cleaned if it was. Oh well, either way it is a done deal. I bet you could have 3 diff. graders from all 3
top TPG's and have 9 diff. opinions on this one :)or any coin for that matter. As far as price goes so far I have got (from a dealer) wholesale prices for some of the type coins that I have already sold. This one was the only one of two that he went below on. I do have to sell most of the coins that I did get in the collection so I guess here is a good place to start. Thanks all again for your input.
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Indian1: The $750 offer from your dealer was a strong buy price and will be hard to beat. Full retail for an 1846 S$1 in AU50 is about $900 based on auction history. It sounds like you have the type of dealer that many would like to find. Best of luck!
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BH

Thanks. You are probably correct. I wanted $800.00
from him but seeing he treats me pretty well I will go back and see him next thursday or fri. He might even meet me half way or do the 800. Seemed like he wanted the coin himself. I looked on heritage for the heck of it. Their prices ranged a lot higher for some reason. 1200 to 1400. Maybe that's just an enticer to list with them. After seeing that I decided just for S's and Giggles :) to pop it up on ebay. Will let it sit there for 4 or 5 days. I have not had a listing there in a long while. I was looking at my feedback and laughing at some of the prices I sold silver and other coins for back then. If you could only keep everything ? Will most likely get no bites but thought
what the heck take a shot just for fun :)
I guess I could try on here also after that if a no go with my dealer. Maybe someone would really like it for around the 750-800 price.





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Here's some recent auction results for problem-free 1847 S$1 in AU50:

Sep-2010 $978 AU50 PCGS Teletrade Auction
Sep-2010 $863 AU50 PCGS Heritage
Aug-2010 $898 AU50 PCGS ebay Sales
Jul-2010 $863 AU50 ANACS Scotsman Midwest Summer Sale
Apr-2010 $748 AU50 NGC Heritage
Feb-2010 $900 AU50 PCGS ebay Sales
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Those dealers were probably just trying to rip you off...
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it does kind of look cleaned in the pictures but still a very nice coin and since ANACS says its problem free then thats even better
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