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I have a Juchid coin which I believed to be 781 (retrograde), however, it is possible it may be a 782 (not retrograde). I'll hold off until I investigate further, maybe a day or two delay. (actually allowing the 7th edition to skip away  )
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Quote: I have a Juchid coin which I believed to be 781 (retrograde), however, it is possible it may be a 782 (not retrograde). I'll hold off until I investigate further, maybe a day or two delay.  Quote:actually allowing the 7th edition to skip away  And the 9th edition become less likely. 
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Quote: maybe a day or two delay. Kk good to know as otherwise I'm only four more days from posting my earliest AD-dated coin. 
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Quote: And the 9th edition become less likely. I would be very surprised if there is no 9th edition this year; it would require either some really good activity on the 7th (where my estimates keep suggesting that the 13th century would be extremely hard even if we get there at all), or the 8th stopping for a long time because a particular year depended on a rare participant who didn't show up. (I can't think of any plausible cases of the latter offhand, but I hadn't actually checked fully.)
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Quote:It just occurred to me that if TTK's 1379 (AH 781) coin is illegitimate, then the seventh edition is also. https://goccf.com/t/428286&whichpage=365#4109237If this is the case, I may forced to close it. My very thoughts..... the clock is ticking
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So further investigations leads me to strongly believe that my coin is in fact a 782 AH or 1380, not the 781 AH or 1379 as played in the 7th edition. This brings into doubt the viability of the 7th edition. To go back a few steps, I take very poor photos of my coins and so on many occasions I rely on the seller photos,as I have with this coin. I have discovered that sometimes the appearance of some pics is improved by playing with the Auto Level function of paint.net. Despite my picture being quite OK for display, I gave it a shot with Auto Level. On this occasion the result was not good, the picture was dark and shadowy. But it seemed to highlight a "smudge" on the rim of the coin (circled in red) which seemed like the left side of a V or 7. Once I saw this, the third digit now seemed to possibly be a 2, and not a 7. So now I have a possible 782 as opposed to the sellers 187 (or 781 retrograde) Further inspection of the coin and with a lot more familiarity with Arabic script, I now see the words above the date as "beled azak" (minted in Azak, a region in the Black Sea area). I have trawled through Zeno, as well as the catalogs Sagdeeva and Pyrsov. It seems that of the main stream dangs on Zeno minted in Azak, the earliest is 782. Zeno even shows the Azak minted coins of Toqtamish starting in 782 AH. Pyrsov (#299) lists an Azak 781, however, both sides are framed in an arched square, and mine is not that type. Sagdeeva (#366) shows the same type, dated 881 which is a blundered date for 781 apparently. This is the attribution provided by my seller way back when. I can only apologise for this, and I could have let it slide through, but to what point? So jbuck, I reluctantly hand this can of worms over to you. 
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Further to this debacle,  I thought I would do a quick search of ebay for a 781 (1379) coin and the first specimen I come across is a Firuz Shah Tughluq Tanka dated 781!!. I have purchased it and expect it to arrive in approx 21 days. So at least there is now a back up to get the 8th moving again, should noone else have a 1379 to play.  *also considering a change of username to "Mud"
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Edited by ttkoo 06/25/2026 1:09 pm
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Yay!
...I am worried about the 7th edition, actually; it would be really awkward to be forced to close it like that. I feel like we've had it happen before that years were counted on "datable" coins that were later invalidated, but I don't recall any straight-up misread date cases.
Technically the 6th edition had the same coin as well, so does this mean that the 7th and/or the 8th is just entirely illegitimate?
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I'm not sure about it, but jbuk will know best, anyway, I am going to bed, yeeks it's 3.11 am!
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Quote: So jbuck, I reluctantly hand this can of worms over to you.  Quote: I thought I would do a quick search of ebay for a 781 (1379) coin and the first specimen I come across is a Firuz Shah Tughluq Tanka dated 781!!. I have purchased it and expect it to arrive in approx 21 days. Well, we at least have that. 
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Quote: Technically the 6th edition had the same coin as well, so does this mean that the 7th and/or the 8th is just entirely illegitimate? I have locked the 7th. I will add explanation posts to and adjust the "ending" for the 6th and 7th for posterity. I will start the 9th at some point, but I am contemplating some rule changes.
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Quote: approx 21 days. 20 days. 
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While we wait for ttkoo's new coin, I have two new rule proposals for the Ninth Edition. New rule: Whenever we have a run of AH dated coins being posted without CE coins, we will need all AH years to regress. For example, 2014 CE and 2013 CE are covered by AH 1436, AH 1435, and AH 1434. If for some reason no 2014 CE and 2013 CE coins are posted, but an AH 1436 is, we would need AH 1435 and AH 1434 to regress to 2012 CE / AH 1433 New rule: You are only allowed one coin per year, so make it your best! I hope that helps with the pace during the first two centuries. If you have a difficult time making a choice, pick something not already posted, although duplicates are still okay.
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