1863 Gies & Bros. Detroit Civil War Token

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cdnmace Valued Member United States 134 Posts	Posted 04/08/2014 10:57 pm Hello All, Hoping a Civil War token guru may be able to help me out here; my knowledge is almost null about CWTs. Wondering what someone in-the-know may think of: -The grade of this token? -Also curious about its number on the rarity scale? -Does 'double die' apply to tokens (as they were privately minted); if so does it increase the value any? -Rotation. This token has a medal axis. Is that the correct axis? -Lastly, what would be the overall value (range)of this token? I'd be sincerely appreciative of any insight. Thanks! Edited by cdnmace 04/08/2014 10:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff

ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4433 Posts	Posted 04/09/2014 11:08 am IMHO, the grade on your token is XF+. It appears to be this variety: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/360869349852?lpid=82 Personally, I don't see this ebay item readily selling at the price sought. IMHO, it's more of a $25 token in the current market. I've seen many tokens from this merchant over the years, leading me to believe that Gies is a quite obtainable merchant in the series. Oftentimes, his tokens are found with an "F. GIES" counterstamp, believed to be a post-war alteration; this, perhaps to accentuate the advertising aspect and lessen the token's likeness to a cent. Die rotation, doubling and other minor errors as a whole are very common in the CWT series. While there is an alluring curiosity factor to such pieces, and sellers often tout them as rarities, these errors typically don't carry a premium value among knowing collectors. Indeed, there are certain dies for which some collectors would pay a premium if a commonly seen error was lacking, and the strike was closer to perfection. Report this Post to the Staff
cdnmace Valued Member United States 134 Posts	Posted 04/09/2014 12:36 pm VERY much appreciated, ExoGuy. Thank you! Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4433 Posts	Posted 04/09/2014 2:46 pm Happy to be of assistance, cdnmace. The new CWT book, ala Bowers and Whitman for about $20 is well worth the investment. You might want to consider buying a copy. Also, the Civil War Token Society is a great way to learn about the series. Report this Post to the Staff
Penny Guy Pillar of the Community United States 531 Posts	Posted 04/09/2014 7:30 pm Your token is a R-4, meaning that 200-499 are estimated to exist. This is subject to change when The Civil War Token Society publishes it's Third Edition of the Fuld Store Card guide. Report this Post to the Staff
cdnmace Valued Member United States 134 Posts	Posted 04/10/2014 1:08 pm Thank you for the amazing information. I took your advice, ExoGuy, and just went and purchased a copy. Again, very much appreciated, ExoGuy and Penny Guy! Report this Post to the Staff
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