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An Ethical Issue When Hunting For Silver Coins

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At the end of the day, if you have to "question" what you are about to do or have done, you know the answer.
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it would be a rare thing for someone to own up and contact the seller or customer who cashed in the rolls, and make a honest payment to them. My concern is going to a coin dealer, they will only get spot less 5-10% from a dealer, and some dealers will swap out their good coins for lesser conditioned coins in many cases (I don't tell anyone to go to a dealer for this reason) and many other issues that I've encountered when dealing with coin dealers. I just buy from them never sell to them. I direct the new to Numismatics people to PCGS, NGC, CAC, and Greysheet web sights let them know what the differences are between all the coin grading services and how they value or grade the coins, then encourage them to learn as much as they can about how to grade and value their coins in the hope they will start collecting and not cash out the collection.
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Been on both sides of this coin. I had a type set that was only missing about 3 coins. All were at least VF to AU. Opened it up one day and they were gone. Step-son thought he had scored because he got double the face value for them.

Pick up several rolls of pennies from the bank many years ago and three rolls had a different wrapper, they had in them a complete 1909 thru 1958 collection minus the 1909 S VDB and the 1922. All were VF to AU. I went to the bank and told the teller and the manager I had them and told them to call me if they had anyone come looking for them. Went home, place them in tubes and forgot about them. 6 months later the manager called me, took them back the branch and met the gentlemen. He said for the pennies he lost them all, and was only missing the 1909 and 1922. Figured they were his at that point. He did give me two Silver dollars as a thank you. Figured I came out well enough.
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6 months later the manager called me, took them back the branch and met the gentlemen. He said for the pennies he lost them all, and was only missing the 1909 and 1922. Figured they were his at that point. He did give me two Silver dollars as a thank you. Figured I came out well enough.


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Though it's a year-old thread, the question of "the ethics of cherrypicking" were raised earlier, and here's my take on that.

To my mind, "Cherrypicking" can be divided into two scenarios. And to my mind, one of these scenarios is perfectly ethical, the other is not.

Scenario 1: Person A is selling coins. They are a "professional coin dealer", or have otherwise fully researched the coins to the best of their knowledge and expertise. Person B is a customer of that coin dealer, either well-known to Person A or not. If Person B finds a valuable coin for sale that they, personally, know is worth much more than Person A has listed the coin for, there is no ethical quandary whatsoever - Person B can buy the coin at that listed price without needing to "correct" the seller.

Scenario 2: Person A is selling coins. They are not a "professional coin dealer", or really have any more skill in coin valuation beyond "look it up in Redbook/Internets". Person B is well-known to Person A as a "coin expert" and has been asked to go through the coins to help them value the coins properly, with the understanding that Person B can make a reasonable offer on anything they find while going through the coins. If Person B finds a valuable coin that they, personally, know is worth quite a lot, perhaps for obscure reasons (eg. it's a rare error/variety not listed in RedBook), it would absolutely be unethical to offer to buy that coin for considerably less than what Person B knows is the "true market rate" for that coin.

The difference is the expectations placed upon Person B. In scenario 1, there are no expectations. Coins are for sale for $X, Person B might haggle the price but in the end either buys them or doesn't. But in scenario 2, Person B is being relied upon, due to their superior knowledge on the subject, for their honest opinions about the value of the coins. Offering a lowball value at that juncture is, effectively, lying. Person B "agreed to help", and then did the exact opposite of "helping". Depending on the nature of the "agreeement", there might even be a legal issue, in terms of breach of contract.

Now, the unambiguity of Scenario 1 can be muddied somewhat if Person B, rather than keeping the cheaply-bought coin for their own collection, turns around and quick-flips the coin on ebay for instant profits. This is "muddied" if Person A finds out about this quick flip resale (and given they are a well-connected and knowledgeable dealer in that scenario, this seems likely to occur), Person A will then probably gain a negative opinion about Person B, and probably won't be as friendly to them next time they come in the shop. So in that scenario, if "staying in Person A's good books" is important to person B, then perhaps it would be advisable to attempt to "correct" Person A's pricing at that point. But that's not really a "moral" or "ethical" issue, just a "being nice and keeping friends" issue.
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Scenario 1: Person A is selling coins. They are a "professional coin dealer", or have otherwise fully researched the coins to the best of their knowledge and expertise.

What if Person A (the seller) is an individual who is clearly not a coin shop owner and obviously doesn't know a variety from a hole in the ground?
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