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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 05/04/2013  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spikey Norman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok yup, you keep accusing anyone that even dares to question anything you say of holding a bias - don't you worry about whether something is true or not you just go ahead and type whatever fits your point of view.

You can accuse myself of said bias until the cows come home - that does seems to be your stock response to anyone that even questions anything you say or the way you say it. Funny how you don't provide examples of said bias though isn't it .... you know, like I did with yours.

You can also use as many variations of my name (which I assume you think are demeaning or belittling) as you like as long as you don't stray into the vulgar and offensive, they just once more show you to be a very childish and arrogant person (as does the use of CAPITALS to try and make a point). A shame really as you appeared to have become more civil of late.

You still don't seem able to grasp that the underlying message in what you say is not what I have any problem with at all but the apparent bias with which you present it (very often a negative slant, presumably to try and back up your earlier assertions that both gold and silver would definately leg lower - something TA may well indicate as being most likely but most certainly cannot and does not assure anyone of).

Norm
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05/04/2013 05:27 am
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 Posted 05/04/2013  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Theyre an arbitrary number set at whatever we say they are

Ya, set by the banksters not we and it's in their favor not yours or mine

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You cant manipulate something arbitrary system wide

Interest rates are manipulated worldwide(LIBOR, remember?)

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Theres no god given values they should have

Maybe not in your godless world but banksters definitely follow their god's values, he's called lucifer

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Economics are literally whatever humans say they are

Scarcity,inequality,imperfection,ignorance and complexity are fundamental notions of economics that we have to deal with and NOT whatever humans say they are

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Theyre nothing more than trying to manipulate human behavior or optimal results

That's true but NOT for your well being or anybody's. It's all about control and then destruction and we're right now in the process of it

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If everyone tomorrow decided money didnt matter it wouldnt matter, or sand was now money sand would now be money.

It's true there was a walking stick used as money in the middle ages but that was in the middle ages

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 Posted 05/04/2013  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"If everyone tomorrow decided money didnt matter it wouldnt matter, or sand was now money sand would now be money."

That's called hyperinflation. While I don't think hyprerinflation will happen in the US, I wouldn't rule it out.

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 Posted 05/04/2013  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Interest rates are manipulated worldwide(LIBOR, remember?)"

Forget LIBOR. The rates manipulationis right out in the open. Its called the treasury market. It used to be te only market that was manipulated. But bad policy is a self fulfilling prophecy. So eventually you hve to buy agency debt, mortgages, make all kinds of guarantees, and when that doesn't work you make direct purchases of assets. Does anyone know whats at the apex of Exter's pyramid?
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05/04/2013 1:22 pm
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 Posted 05/04/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"It's true there was a walking stick used as money in the middle ages but that was in the middle ages "

Tally Sticks was actually a fairly successful currency for a while. It was a fiat currency as opposed to a debt currency.

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05/04/2013 10:43 am
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 Posted 05/04/2013  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Scarcity,inequality,imperfection,ignorance and complexity are fundamental notions of economics that we have to deal with and NOT whatever humans say they are."

It really boils down to scarcity and distribution. Distribution is mostly the maintenance of standards, rule of law, ethics, etc. That is the social aspect of economics. Scarcity is the empirical aspect.

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 Posted 05/04/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ya, set by the banksters not we and it's in their favor not yours or mine


As it should be theyre the ones loaning the money. You can get their rates too if you want to start loaning people money for long periods of time.


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Interest rates are manipulated worldwide(LIBOR, remember?)


I couldnt care less about that, you keep acting like they go away with it for 100s of years before they got caught and its world wide. Its not they got caught pretty fast and again is proof against your argument


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Maybe not in your godless world but banksters definitely follow their god's values, he's called lucifer


My world isn't godless and you need a grip on reality if you think that everyone who makes many is some evil person out to screw everyone.


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Scarcity,inequality,imperfection,ignorance and complexity are fundamental notions of economics that we have to deal with and NOT whatever humans say they are


No they are exactly what humans say they are. Theres plenty of scare things in the world we couldnt care less about so theyre worthless and then things like silver and oil that weve assigned value to and theres nothing rare about them.


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That's true but NOT for your well being or anybody's. It's all about control and then destruction and we're right now in the process of it


What are you even talking about. Economics is trying to destroy the world, what?
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United States
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 Posted 05/04/2013  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rates are set to preserve the system which is only temporary. However it is the free market negotiation that leads to successful deployment of capital. Not central planning. In a debt money system someone must borrow every dollar in circulation CASH OR CREDIT. Its temporary by nature. As the debt is originated the money creation must ultimately be replaced by another obligation. It doesn't matter in the aggregate whether the debt is liquidated through default or through repayment. The purchasing power created is temporary and has a finite life. Therefore the debt money system more or less resembles a receivership. Its temporary nature is a mathematical certainty. This is also the reason among other things, central banks hold gold.
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 Posted 05/04/2013  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for paper gold. You should use it as liquidity. I bought gold over three weeks ago. I haven't even received it yet. But I already booked a cash profit on the ETF which can be used to purchase physical if I so desire.
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 Posted 05/04/2013  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its convenient how those who believe in gold, and talk about manipulation, and dream of financial doom and gloom and complain about depressed currencies..... have failed to share with us how the Japanese public is SELLING their gold.

Yes they are selling their gold to raise cash. That's what you do. Don't hoard the gold and never do anything with it.

Watch it and weep, those of you who whine about the Japanese devaluing the currency. The people are getting around just fine by selling their gold. Which is the right thing to do, raise cash and take profits.


http://live.wsj.com/video/a-rush-to...EC2BA172FFA8
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 Posted 05/04/2013  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Yen is going a lot higher. Not good news for Yen gold and even worse for the Nikkei.

I bought the Nikkei after the G7 but I'm out now, but it was a nice ride. I still think it has a bit more upside, but when it falls it will fall hard.
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05/04/2013 4:22 pm
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 Posted 05/04/2013  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold has had several consolidations. There was the one in the fallof 2003 which lasted until the early summer of 04. Then we had the consolidation from early 06 to early 07. Then we had a consolidation from late 07 to early 09. We are now still in a consolidation that began in early 11 which I would argue is much closer to its conclusion then its initiation. Both the consolidations and the rallies have become longer.
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05/04/2013 4:24 pm
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 Posted 05/04/2013  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe they were but they are not anymore. They could have been selling some gold off to buy Swiss Francs...or at least they should have been....



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Some Japanese citizens initially took advantage of the spike to sell gold.

But now, as more acknowledge the Abenomics reality Fitz-Gerald cautioned about, others have raced to buy bullion, fearing the following:

Inflation;
A national debt more than twice as large as its annual economic output;
An end to the country's stock market rally;
Near-zero interest on bank deposits;
And the sensitive situation in the Korean Peninsula.
"Investors in gold are convinced that Japan's fiscal position will get worse. What I see at our counter is that more people are getting worried about Japan. That's why we are seeing a lot of buying," Tanaka Kikinzoku Kogyo, general manager of Japan's top bullion house, Tanaka Kikinzoky Kogyo, told The New York Times.




http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/20...2511594.html
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05/04/2013 5:26 pm
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