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Those Russian coppers are impressive, @bd251. They must have had big purses.


My heaviest one is coming up in 1770
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Venice - Rare Osella 1779 - gilt silver, coin ±9,8 g
year 1 of doge Paolo Renier (1779 - 1797) commemoration of a bountiful harvest.

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Female allegorical figure of Abundance standing with cornucopia at right and upturned one at left (coins flowing out), recumbent lion at feet on right. In exergue the mintmaster's initials B : C . . BONORVM - AVCTRIX

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PAULUS / REINERIUS / PRINCIPIS / MUNUS. AN : I / 1779

But this is part of the story, as this piece was mounted shortly after its production in order to serve as a broche. The mounting has been done in a coin-preserving sophisticated manner and includes a full-wreath of leafing, 33 mm, so that the osella is encased in a 46.2 mm (w) x 45.7 mm (h) unique ornate silver frame with horizontal pinback.

There are more than a few osella's that were mounted to become a pendant, but this combination as a broche is quite unique. The piece found its way to the collection of Dr. Albert Goodwin, former President of the Orders and Medals Society of America (OMSA). I purchased this piece about 5yrs ago in the same year that I found another uniquely mounted osella (1769) that I'll show 10 days from now.

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reverse - now with the pin in its holder

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1779 - West Friesland (NL) - 2 Stuiver

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1778 OL - Sweden - 1/24 Riksdaler of Gustav III

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Sweden 1777, 1 riksdaler/3 daler silvermynt, Gustav III.

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1777 Ottoman Empire Abdul Hamid I (Frozen date AH 1187, regnal year 5)

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This 1776 2 Reales is exceptionally worn, but the date is legible, and that's a special date, of course, at least here in the US.

I cannot discern the mint but I suspect it is probably Mexico City (Mo-FM)

Paid $5 for it, worth every bit of that (bad pun? )

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Paid $5 for it, worth every bit of that (bad pun? )


Indeed

My 1776 is another Polish copper, 1 grosz, Warsaw mint.
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1775 Great Britain One Farthing:
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1775 Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth 2 grosze, Warsaw mint.
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1775 Russian 5 kopeks

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A lot of interesting additions!
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1775 is the most common date for imitation George III halfpennies, of which I probably have 30 in my collection!

No regal halfpennies were struck dated 1775, so any that you come across are definitely imitation or counterfeit.

It's a fascinating area of study, with at least 20 major "families" or groups that share certain common characteristics, and at least ten times that many varieties, of which only a small portion have been catalogued and classified.

Here are three examples of the type.

This is a fairly typical imitation issue, rather underweight. Note that the "wear" is artificial -- this coin is EF-AU. They were designed and struck in such a way as to appear heavily circulated, to help conceal the deception. Note the "fat" head and the lips that make it appear the King is whistling!

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This one is double struck. Compare the King's bust on this coin to the one above - this is a Sloped Head style.

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This one is a "mule" - a George II obverse paired with a 1775-dated George III reverse - the date is more visible in hand:

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Although 1775 is the most common date, you can find imitation issues dated from 1771 to 1774 as well, although they are considerably scarcer, particularly 1772.

If you should happen to run across any dated 1785 or 1787, those were most likely struck at Machin's Mills in the USA, and they are extremely collectible, so keep your eyes peeled if you happen across a box of old British coppers!
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1774 Brazil 20 reis
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Another Polish 2 grosze (a bit nicer than yesterday's):
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