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No collection is complete without at least one (or several) Liege Liards. Here is a 1751 CLR Kreuzer from Brandenburg-Bayreuth. Another very small coin that would benefit from new photos for sure.   Here is one of my own Liege Liards, 1750   A 1750 AK 1/4 Stuber from Jülich-Berg, very worn dies  
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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United Kingdom
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A worn-out British 1750 shilling: 
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Quote: No collection is complete without at least one (or several) Liege Liards. Small "regrets" story on that ... Ten years ago I started selling off my childhood collecttion of world coins, which included a Liege liard in pretty decent shape. Five years later I started getting more deeply interested in early Low countries coinage, and kinda wish I hadn't sold it. My 1750 is a 1/2 baiocco of Papal States - Ferrara, dated regnal year X, which corresponds to August, 1749 - August 1750. As an aside, the baiocco was a very early decimal denomination, equal to 1/100 scudo, I believe introduced by Paul III in the mid-1500s.  
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Grotty 1749 British farthing: 
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Austrian Netherlands 1749 half ducaton, Antwerp mint: 
Edited by tdziemia 05/23/2023 08:07 am
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Oh wow. That is a stunner of a 1/2 ducaton!
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It's been a while since I've posted anything on this thread, partly because I'm not very sure which years of the 18th century I actually have, and, more importantly, which of them I actually have pics for (an important consideration now that the vast majority of my collection is out of reach for the foreseeable future). I knew I had a coin from 1749, though, and after a while I even managed to find pics - very bad ones, admittedly...  German States, County of Wied-Neuwied Johann Friedrich Alexander (1737-1791) 1/4 Ausbeutestüber, 1749 KM# 4, Numista 71086This was one of my "low-grade but intriguing" purchases - I bought it with very little idea what it was, but suspected that it was probably something interesting with that square in the middle. This particular coin certainly didn't disappoint, and I definitely wouldn't have expected what the square turned out to be! (It's a windlass, a kind of a well. There's a better-quality example in the Numista link.) My next possible entry where I know I have a pic is 1717, but I'll have to check if I have something closer than that.
Edited by january1may 05/24/2023 01:51 am
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Quote: Oh wow. That is a stunner of a 1/2 ducaton! Thank you. The picture is Elsen's, but the coin is mine  . I suppose it had a bit of cleaning/polishing some time in the past, but I was willing to overlook that. I find the younger potrait of Maria Theresa far more appealing than the one on the famous AUstrian thaler. Back to Ferrara for 1748, another 1/2 baiocco (this time with a normal date reverse in addition to the regnal year obverse):  
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Quote: I knew I had a coin from 1749, though, and after a while I even managed to find pics Excellent! 
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1749 one gulden, Holland  
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Who is that lovely lady? I have seen her described as "a Dutch maiden" but also as Athena. I am still in Italy, with a 1 baiocco of Papal States - Ferrara for 1747. For anyone who has Papal States coins and has wondered about the various devices ... The coat of arms obverse is the family arms of whichever pope is reigning. Benedict XIV was born Prospero Lambertini, so these are the Lambertini family arms (in same tradition as any other European sovereign). The crossed keys and papal crown (or tiara) above are more universal symbols used by all popes on their coins. In the case of Ferrara coins, there is sometimes an additional small coat of arms reverse on the larger types. These are the arms of the Papal legate (something between an ambassador and governor) to Ferrara, in this case, Camillo Paolucci.  
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1747 Swedish ore:   Grotty British 1747 halfpenny possibly used as a button: 
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@tdziemia: the lady on the reverse is indeed Minerva (Pallas Athena), and as you write often often referred to as the Dutch Virgin. She is standing to the right with a spear with liberty hat in the right hand and with the left arm leaning on a column with the bible and the year under a line at the bottom. These are symbols of liberty, and freedom of religion, issues that lied at the basis of the Dutch revolt against Spain.
The design of the Dutch guilder of this type was first made in 1680 and used for about 120 years. Popular nicknames for the guilder have since then been "pop" (doll, referring to the lady) or "piek" (referring to the spear). During al those years, the weight in silver was approximately 10 grams (no inflation) and therefore about the same weight as the 14 guilder gold rider (I showed some weeks ago an example): this underlines the standard gold silver value ratio of past times
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1746 British halfpenny (with interesting graffiti!) and sixpence:  
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Papal States - Ferrara 1746 Quattrino:  
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