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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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 Posted 08/19/2023  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wow, that is a really nice silver crown, one that any Swedish collector would be thrilled to have in their collection!


Thank you. That means a lot coming from a connoisseur of fine European coins!


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Just curious what kind of price range your coin enjoys?


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Interesting similar devices on the Swedish and British coins. Who was copying whom?

Since no 1669 has been posted, I will show my homely 1670 solidus of the city of Gdansk:
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...followed by a 1669 3 kreuzer of the SIlesian DUchy of Brieg:
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The ugly one is the more valuable coin (though still eighteen benjamins behind t360s

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Thank you. That means a lot coming from a connoisseur of fine European coins!

You are simply too kind . I stand no chance against your tremendous collection of European crowns.

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Interesting similar devices on the Swedish and British coins. Who was copying whom?

Indeed. Comparing the Swedish 1667 8 mark coin with NumisRob's 1671 half crown is even more striking: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces181926.html

Sweden used the design with mirrored Cs in 1667 only and England started using it in 1662 (on crowns), so it seems England had the copyright . A bit of research supports the view that the Swedish mint did indeed copy the English design: Mintmaster in Sweden 1665-1668 was Abraham Cronström. He continued his previous career as a businessman while upholding that position. After having spent several years abroad, in Germany, Holland - and England - he had good contacts in these countries. It is virtually certain that he at some time came across the English crowns, liked the design, and decided to use it for the Swedish crowns. That the Swedish king Charles used the same monogram with mirrored Cs as the English king Charles was of course a bonus.
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Here is a 1 Kreuzer from the Austrian State of Salzburg that I bought for just over 8 Georges.

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1669 France Louis XIV Ecu for Bearn
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And now for something a little different, here is a 2 Skilling from Norway dated 1668 AD.

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And now for something a little different, here is a 2 Skilling from Norway dated 1668 AD.
Indeed!
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Interesting coin. If you rotate the obverse by 90 degrees it is easier to recognize the Lion holding the axe.
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If you rotate the obverse by 90 degrees it is easier to recognize the Lion holding the axe.
Thank you for letting us know!
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1668 1/4 thaler of the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth
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1667 ducaton of the Duchy of Brabant, with juvenile bust of Charles II. The portrait is interesting because later in life Charles develops the famous Hapsburg jaw, a congenital deformity which in his case was so bad he had trouble eating. But at this age (5), it is not yet apparent (at least to me).
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EDIT: deleted post. I misread and thought it was already 1666 day.
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1667 ducaton of the Duchy of Brabant, with juvenile bust of Charles II.
I like the circulation cameo.
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Tomorrow should be a banner day for posts and I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got @j1m. Also, thx to @t360 for the comment about the oddly rotated coin. I'll try to fix that in my pictures for the 8th edition!

For today, I have this Polish 6 Groschen dated 1667 AD. I have attributed it as Kopicki #1686. There was a time when these small Polish coins were super cheap, and I picked this one up for just over $8.

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