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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth, szostak (6 groschen)
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This Albus was minted in the German Free City of Frankfurt in 1655 AD:

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ecu for Bčarn, Pau mint .*F*. 1655
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A 1655 ort (1/4 thaler or 18 groszy) of Poland-Lithuaniacck in Krakow:
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The last digit of the date is weak but the initials IT obverse and other design details confirm the date.
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And a 1654, Poznan mint:

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Here is another Albus, although this one comes from the German Archbishopric of Mainz and is dated 1654 AD:

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France 1654, liard, Louis XIV, Corbeil (A).

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From the pre-series for the first copper liards. About 5,000 minted.
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From the pre-series for the first copper liards.

Very nice! So copper liards were struck in Low Countries for some time before France?

1653 Lithuanian schilling from Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth:
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Not a Liard, but this Denier Tournois seems to be either copper or very debased silver. It was minted at a French County of Nevers-Rethel in 1653 AD.

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So copper liards were struck in Low Countries for some time before France?

Yes, I think Spanish Netherlands may have been first (?) with copper liards, around 1580. A number of nearby French feudal states, like Arches & Charleville and Château-Regnault, followed in the early 1600s. They were probably an inspiration for the French royal coinage. The very first royal liard test coins in copper were issued in 1649 (I don't have one, eight known examples ... ).
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This Schilling is from Lithuania and dated 1652 AD:

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Nice one!

Here is a 1651 2 grosze from the Poland-Lithuania commonwealth struck at Gdansk:
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My last Polish coin for a few weeks. Sigismund III struck so many small value silver coins between 1588-1628 that none needed to be struck again until two reigns later, starting in 1650. This 1650 ort (1/4 thaler) struck in Wschowa is from the Karolkiewicz collection auctioned by CNG in 2020.
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France 1649, 1 denier tournois, Louis XIV, Paris (A).

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1649 was the last year that 1 denier coins were minted. It was the smallest denomination, 1/240 of a livre, and was of little use even as small change (it was about one third of an English farthing). It was minted in 1648 and 1649 only and circulated only in the provinces.
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1649 jeton from the Spanish Netherlands (city of Tournai - Doornik) picturing the Habsburg marriage of king Philip IV of Spain (age 44) with his fifteen-year-old niece, Maria Anna, archduchess of Austria.

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