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Pretty sure we are still on 1640 for today, so my apologies if I'm a day behind. Here is a Double Tournois from the French Principality of Orange:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Monday was 1641, yesterday was 1640 (I think Numisrob's late entry caused a bit of confusion). So I think we could move to 1639 today, but agree we should wait in case anyone else has a 1640.
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09/20/2023 07:39 am
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The general rule allows posting 1640 until the first 1639 shows up. However, I generally allow people to go back a day or two. This helps after a weekend when some people go off the grid like I do.  |
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The general rule allows posting 1640 until the first 1639 shows up. However, I generally allow people to go back a day or two. This helps after a weekend when some people go off the grid like I do. Ah jbuck, spoken like a true mensch!  |
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Aw, thanks!  |
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1639 Dugn.3939 Southern Provinces mint of Antwerp. 'Yearning for Peace' OBV portrait of Philip IV PHIL IIII D G HISP ET INDIAR REX REV two hands emerging from clouds hold laurel wreath and sword 1639 IN MANV BELLI FINIS  in this decade, the North was thriving and winning, especially by expanding international trade (VOC, trade with the baltic, trade with the levant); so the South started with proposals to negociate for a peace settlement which - as we have seen - was made in Münster in 1648 |
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Very nice. Same portrait as on the ducatons and half ducatons. This 1639 patagon was probably struck in the same city. The mint mark is not visible, making it a bit uncertain, but some other features resemble examples with the Antwerp mint mark.   |
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I'm still stuck in Austria for 1639. Here is a 3 Kreuzer minted in Glatz:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Nice one! I've got a couple of those Hapsbrg Silesia coins coming up ... For today, this 1638 teston of the Duchy of Lorraine struck by Charles IV of Lorraine while in exile.   Charles was an interesting figure who I've commented on before. In 1633 he was chased from the throne of Lorraine by the French, and would be in exile for 25 years. During that time, he brought his military leadership skills to the Hapsburgs. He led armies on the Spanish side of the conflict that 1c5d is discussing in Artois and Flanders in the early 1640s. In the late 1630s he was continuously harrassing the French on their eastern flank, including penetrating into Lorraine in 1637/8, and striking this coin in Remiremont, no doubt to thumb his nose at his enemies. |
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1637 Escalin of the Duchy of Brabant, struck in Antwerp.   |
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still for 1637 1637 City of Lille, Spanish Netherlands mereau of 4 units from the parish of Saint-Etienne . OBV. between S-E. Saint-Etienne (Saint Stephen, first martyr of christianity) with nimbus, kneeling to the left, holding his right hand toward the sky, and holding in his left hand&arm the stones that will be used for his martyrdom (he was stoned to death 34 AD) REV. Cipher 4 above the date. Feu.7297; Vanhende593 the mereau is somewhat different from a jeton, although made in the same period, using same materials & dimension; it was used for the poor and it was given by the church parish in able for the poor (& members of the church community) to buy bread; this explains the Dutch names: broodpenning, armenpenningthis mereau was made in two variants, 3 and 4 units; die cracks show that the obverse die was common for both variants  Edited by 1c5d7n5m
09/24/2023 06:26 am
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1636 another mereau, this one is from the cathedral of the city of Antwerp 1636 Dugn.3911, Minard63 mereau - city of Antwerp - Parish of the Cathedral of Our Lady OBV: MEDIATRIX NOSTRA // M A R REV: ANNO INCARNATIONIS DNI 1636 // TLOF //  Numista comments: Mereau of the Spanish Low Countries given to the poor to acquire food and struck in ANTWERP in 1636 No idea what TLOF stands for |
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You have an interesting collection of mereaux, 1c5d7n5m.  Quote:
No idea what TLOF stands for Could it be 't lof, that is, Dutch for "the praise"? If MAR on the obverse stands for Maria, it could mean "Mary's praise"? (I don't know Dutch, so I am guessing a bit here  .) |
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thanks erafjel
there is not much more about mereaux I can show ; just coincidence these two are of subsequent years
the design of the two could not be more different;
the 1637 piece contains just SE as letters, the design is about numbers and a portrait
the 1638 piece is designed for the (centers and legends)
your suggestion 't Lof is well taken - it could be true
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Interesting discussion! Here is a 2 Liards from the French Duchy of Bouillon & Sedan dated 1636 AD:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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