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That's a really wonderful image of St. Stephen on that first mereau. In addition to the stones (the specific instruments of his martyrdom), the palm branch below him is a more general symbol of Christian martyrs. Venetian coins with Saint Justina usually show her holding a palm, as well as the sword that was the instrument of her demise. Likewise the Saint Lawrence coins of Wismar, Germany. For 1636 another patagon struck in Antwerp:   Edited by tdziemia
09/25/2023 8:40 pm
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nice patagon, tdziemia you are right about the palm branch three cities (Halberstadt, Metz and Nijmegen) produced great talers in the 16th and 17th century picturing Stephanus with three stones and often palm branch this is a good webpage for an overview (the mereau is missing): https://www.coingallery.de/Heilige/S/Stephanus.htmEdited by 1c5d7n5m
09/26/2023 06:19 am
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I've got a few coins from 1635, although none as impressive as that Patagon. Here is a 2 Denier from the French Duchy of Bouillon & Sedan:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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A rather strange combination: a teston struck in Florence in the name of Nicolas-Francois as Duke of Lorraine.   I had mentioned with my 1638 coin that Charles IV was chased from the throne of Lorraine in 1634. He abdicated to his brother, Nicholas- Francois, who then resigned the title back to Charles later the same year, going into exile in Florence.  As a result, this coin has the odd distinction of being listed in catalogs as both a coin of a French city-state (Flon 707/2 for Lorraine), and an Italian one (MIR 315 for Duchy of Tuscany). |
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Nice one @tdz! Here is a Double Tournois from the French County of Nevers-Rethel.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Could it be 't lof, that is, Dutch for "the praise"? If MAR on the obverse stands for Maria, it could mean "Mary's praise"? (I don't know Dutch, so I am guessing a bit here .) I hadn't considered the inscriptions, and can't cmment on TLOF, but MEDIATRIX NOSTRA combined with MAR in the center would mean something like "Mary, our intercessor" And the reverese inscription is very interesting for using ANNO INCARNATIONIS DOMINI instead of the usual ANNO DOMINI, i.e.. Year of the INCARNATION of the Lord, rather than just Year of the Lord . The addition of the word incarnation points to the role of Mary. So, indeed this seems to be a VERY Mary-focused object, and the interpretation of TLOF given by erafjel would fit with that. Onward to 1634 with this 3 kreuzer of the Silesian Evangelical Estates struck in Breslau/Wroclaw during the 30 Years' War:   The term "Evangelical Estates" refers to the Protestant nobles and merchants who were rebelling against their (Catholic) Hapsburg overlord as part of the conflict. The motto on the reverse translates roughly as "If God is with us, who is against us?" Edited by tdziemia
09/27/2023 07:47 am
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@tdziemia: a very Mary-focused object - yes indeed for 1634 I show again this strange jeton that was discussed in detail in another thread http://goccf.com/t/336420  1634 Dugn.3892, vL II 342, Van Orden I, 1210 - Southern Provinces, mint of Brussel OBV: Monkey gives food to turtle DISSIDET QVOD IMPAR EST, (picture and legend from a embleme book of Jacob Cats - 1618) REV: coat of arms of Raveschoot, with dophin INCERTVS CANO CRAS 1634 |
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Great contributions for today! Here is a weakly struck 1/24 Thaler from Poland (Elbing Mint) dated (16)34 AD.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I've also got an Elbing coin for 1634, a soliidus (schilling). The Swedish occupation of this Prussian-Polish city lasted from 1626-1635. Hence the monogram CR for Christina Regina (Queen Christina who we saw upthread on aspectacular thaler from t360)   Edited by tdziemia
09/28/2023 07:30 am
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...and another for 1633 in the name of Gustavus Adolphus:   Edited by tdziemia
09/28/2023 07:37 am
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I'm stuck in Elbing for the next couple days too!   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Gustavus Adolphus died in November 1632, so it's interesting to see posthumous issues dated 1633. Mine has "an excuse" as it is an overdate 1633/2, but interesting to see yours is a straight 1633.
It's also interesting to me that these occupation issues were struck in such large numbers. Elbing was not an active mint in Sigismund III's reign, so I guess Gustavus cranked it up to help pay for the war?
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Gustavus Adolphus died in November 1632, so it's interesting to see posthumous issues dated 1633. For Elbing, there are issues for Gustav Adolf until 1635. Those are in parallel with issues for Christina, which began 1633. Use of existing dies could explain the existence of continued GA issues to some extent, but it seems unlikely that would go on for years. The Christina dies were apparently available from 1633. So I have no good explanation for the GA post 1633 issues (searched a bit in my sources without finding any specific information). Quote:
It's also interesting to me that these occupation issues were struck in such large numbers. Elbing was not an active mint in Sigismund III's reign, so I guess Gustavus cranked it up to help pay for the war? Yes, at least from 1631 when the minting and income from it was taken over by the Swedish government. Before that, the income went to the city of Elbing. Edited by erafjel
09/29/2023 03:23 am
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Lorraine 1632, Charles IV, teston. Minted in Nancy.   From the year shortly before Charlie became a really bad boy in the eyes of the French and they chased him out of Lorraine. But, as @tdziemia has shown here, he and his brother Nick continued to tease the French by minting coins here and there and everywhere.  |
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Same here. Still the auction photos (Heidelberger).  Depending a bit on how you count, Charles has 5 major differences in bust design on his testons: 1. 1624-1626 (KM-30) He shares the obverse with his wife, Duchess Nicole 2. 1626 One year type, bust with ruffed collar. KM combines it with KM-45 but Flon identifies it to a separate type. You can decide in 1626 if it should be its own type 3. 1627-1632 (KM-45) There is a significant variant for 1629 4. 1638-1639 (KM-56) The type struck in Remiremont. This bust matches an undated Nancy type which the author suggests as 1632-1634 (see here in Comments: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33782.html)5. 1663-1669 (KM-62) After his restoration to the throne. Edited by tdziemia
09/29/2023 07:52 am
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