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Pillar of the Community
United States
667 Posts |
numismatic industry - could care less I am a speculator of bullion.
loses - never personally took a loss ever on silver. You have to sell at a loss to have a loss, why would I ever do that. If you have to sell and take a loss then IMHO your in the wrong market. For example PM's are not my emergency money way to risky for that.
price shouldn't even be this high - interesting though many people have come out saying this over the past year. Of course we also have those that say it should be over $50 too.
I feel the $25 - $35 range is the correct range for this market period. I can't really tell you if it will hit higher or lower but I am speculating that it will reach higher.
I don't know where we are going, silver could tank and be in the teens for years to come. On the other hand it could rise and make me a wealthy person. If you can sell at a profit at any time in this market you have won in this game.
A little over a year ago a friend of mine had come to the conclusion that $20 was about as high as silver would go. He sold it all making him some very nice profit gains. In his book he had down very well. In my book he missed the gains of a life time.
We talked about his selling of his silver. He told me his gut told him silver was going to drop and from what he was reading it told him silver had hit a high level. He sold it while he could make some nice gains. Had he had some more risk tolerance he could have made double his money.
On the other hand he could have been right and not have done as well.
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Valued Member
United States
297 Posts |
I think silver will continue to rise, but not as fast as it did in the spring of this year. I am buying silver coins mostly for the collection aspect, with the hope that they will also mature in value over time. I would not be buying silver if I were trying to sell for a large profit in 3-5 years.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
"The intrinsic value of silver never changes unless there is a change in uses for silver. Case in point is photography. Hardly used there any more, so the value in photography is essentially zero which has a bearing on the overall intrinsic value of silver"
I point this out often here Mmerlinn, as I once worked a film lab from 2002 to 2005. We did millions of images a year, esp in school season an holidays, and the same names of 8 or 10 photographers would come into my film scanning room, less an less as digital became more practical. I ran a film scanner, which is basically a machine that scanned film on rolls, and converted those images into the system, so it could later be cropped an printed. Interesting time there in the film world, as it was a real transitional period....
When I worked there, one of my lifelong friends who still runs the digital department there to this day, took me on a tour once of the machine which collected the gold an silver form the film developing center. It came out looking like black coal. Still to this day, my friend I mentioned also has a wife who is the accountant for same lab. Every quarter she sells the silver they collect, an believe it or not, about 25% of the work they do, is still on film. So photographers are set in their ways my theory, etc. I recall her telling me they sold the silver trap for 120 grand back around spring of last year....
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New Member
United States
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Some stats from wikipedia:
*Photography used 30.98% of the silver consumed in 1998 in the form of silver nitrate and silver halides.
*In 2001, 23.47% was used for photography, while 20.03% was used in jewelry, 38.51% for industrial uses, and only 3.5% for coins and medals.
*The total amount of silver consumed in 2007 by the photographic sector is half of what it was in 1998.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: I'm sticking with my theory that there is about to be a major global sell off, which will result in nearly all asset classes (including PM) going down against the dollar. What does your theory tell you is propping up the US dollar? Considering the abysmal skill with which the dollar is managed by the Fed, one would think that the dollar almost HAS to decline over time. In fact, I've been watching it do just that for 50 years. As it does, PMs will move higher. Silver was cheaper way back when but that was before the world became awash in debt and cheapened currencies.
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New Member
United States
29 Posts |
Quote: What does your theory tell you is propping up the US dollar? Considering the abysmal skill with which the dollar is managed by the Fed, one would think that the dollar almost HAS to decline over time. In fact, I've been watching it do just that for 50 years. As it does, PMs will move higher. Silver was cheaper way back when but that was before the world became awash in debt and cheapened currencies. I agree that the dollar is going to be headed lower over the long term. What I meant to say, was that I think there could be a short term spike in the dollar's value, that could temporarily send PM prices lower. Nothing goes straight up, and nothing goes straight down. As we see saw today (11/1/11), stocks and PM's both moved to the downside, while the dollar moved up in comparison. I think this trend is going to continue over the short term, just like we saw in 2008.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2448 Posts |
Actually, the $ is looking good against the European currencies. PMs may fall a while. Lets see what Greece and Italy do.
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Valued Member
United States
425 Posts |
Well back to Ron's original question...... I do not see Silver "skyrocketing" anytime soon. I was looking at some of my silver the other day, I have some Aussie 1oz "year of the" coins and they still have the price tag of $12.95 and $15.95 on them. It's that slow steady rise, not like Gold at all. I also dont think that the new Tech uses of Silver/Gold is what is driving the price up....... its the fact that for the first time in modern history the people of India and China are now buying Gold/Silver not just mining it and shipping it out! Mmerlinn gave us a ratio of Gold vs Silver chart about two weeks ago. I think that is the way you make money on PMs right now. Becareful what you get into folks! I was in my local coin shop today, owner was talking to a lady that had come in end of last week and bought a LARGE sum of Silver. When she saw Silver drop to $32oz yesterday, she stopped payment on the check! Now she will have to throw away all that money on a lawyer!
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
Don't you just hate people that reneg on a deal. When I do a deal I use the deal is a deal no matter what. Win or loose, if you make a deal you have to live with it. 
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
Obviously that lady 1) has never been taught integrity, 2) is trying to get something for nothing, or 3) is a crook. No matter what, I hope the coin dealer cleans her clock. She needs to learn a lesson.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: Don't you just hate people that reneg on a deal. Yes, I do. In this case, I pity this poor woman. Obviously, her life is ALL about her. It has not occurred to her that what she did is no more honest than if the dealer were to say that silver is up since you ordered it, so I'll either have to raise the price or cancel the order. There is an old saying about "people wrapped in themselves make very small packages". She cares little for others and keeping her word has no meaning at all for her. I was raised to believe that a person's word was one of their most important assets and that, once agreed to, a deal is a deal. No one can take our word from us or dirty it up. Only we can do that ourselves.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2448 Posts |
Regardless of Ron's original question, the real driver of silver prices will be the currencies. Silver jumped a buck and a half today on the uncertainties of the euro in regards to Greece. Lets see what it does after the referendum.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4897 Posts |
^ yup! Also interesting to see what happens here. Uncle Ben is taking the wait and see approach. isn't inaction just a cowards way of acting? Seems to me nothing is gonna change in the near term, at least on the home front.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: ... the real driver of silver prices will be the currencies. Indeed so. Unfortunately for the long-term health of most fiat currencies, governments around the world, with only a few exceptions, are awash in debt that will be very difficult, if even possible, to repay. At some point this will cause a lot of problems for the values of these currencies. US dollars, for example, can be seen as shares of USA Inc. As the debt and the number of dollars continues to expand, each dollar will continue to become worth less and less.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1502 Posts |
Hope it falls a bit more so i'd have a chance to buy back the hoard I sold!
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