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Marcus Aurelius Denarius

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 Posted 12/19/2011  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
As an experiment, I took another photograph of this coin. The first shot, I used a CFL bulb for lighting.
This photo uses an LED lamp. It captured less detail, but better approximates the luster.

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 Posted 12/19/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I am the worse photographer in the world (maybe not - I forgot my wife. She's worse than me), but your both images are very nice. Great coin.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
If you are going to experiment, it might be good to only change one thing for comparison. The first photo has the CFL light from the top while the LED light come from the bottom making the shadows the opposite of what looks natural. In this case, I wonder how much of the difference is bulb type and how much is bulb placement.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Yes, good point about lighting direction! I'm traveling now, and these shots were made using available hotel lighting. It looks to me the LED brings out the highlights more than CFL. Maybe I'll try again when I get home.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list
I think your first photo with CFL is the best. It shows the surface of the coin nicely and the flow lines. It's not harsh and easy on the eyes.

Nice coin....and nice pictures.

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 Posted 12/20/2011  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list
Marcus Aurelius looks drunk, or is it that I feel drunk when I look at him, hmm!
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 Posted 12/20/2011  02:48 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Nice! Your photo is much nicer IMO. Black vs. white background any day!
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 Posted 12/20/2011  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Thanks....I'm also thinking the first photo shows the detail well. The higher contrast is distracting.
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 Posted 12/20/2011  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I really don't see any wear on this coin.
Grade? Almost (but not quite) 'As Struck'.
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 Posted 12/20/2011  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
sel_691, good question! I'm unsure whether the softness of the ear and surrounding hair is due to strike, or wear? Overall, I see more issues with strike/worn dies than wear...
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 Posted 12/20/2011  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
I see wear on the five curls nearest the ear and the top of the beard. The two ridges in the ear are just starting to merge. On the reverse, most wear is on the two vertical bands from the waist to the bottom of the skirt. I'd call it a nice strike VF+. IMHO on ancients, detail lost to striking and detail lost to wear affect grade equally. You do not apply US coin standards to ancients. I have only a couple coins I consider EF. Below is one.
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The obverse is pretty much wear free with almost no flattening on the tops of the curls and good micro detail on the laurel leaves - not just the outer edges of each leaf which would make the coin VF. The reverse has some wear on the highest points of the figure which, along with the terrible centering, keeps the coin from being FDC. AU is a US grade not usually applied to ancients so I'd call this one EF with an obligatory note mentioning the reverse being off center.

Being 2000 years old does not make it OK for a coin to claim to be a higher grade. There is nothing wrong with collecting G-VG coins and VF+ coins like the OP Aurelius are super great that any of us should love to own. We still need to make room at the top for coins with perfect strikes, no wear and that have escaped forces of corrosion and damage from improper cleaning. They exist by the hundreds - maybe thousands - I just rarely afford them. My Septimius never would have become mine were it not for the terrible centering on the reverse.
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 Posted 12/20/2011  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Doug is correct. We shouldn't even compare the standards applied to modern coins with that of Ancients. There is no comparison. But there are those few Ancient coins out there that are so fine as to be on the top of the heap, and room should be made for such coins. Out of all of my coins, I do not own one I consider in this category. And I have a few very nice coins like my Constantine I that I have shown before:

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 Posted 12/20/2011  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list
If you don't apply US standards to ancients, then why are some being encapsulated. Which seems kind of silly to me, but to each their own as the old saying goes.

Right now, I find it difficult to own any coin in the VF grade range. You see most of the coins I post, that's what I can afford. But believe me, I wouldn't mind owning some higher grade coins.

For now, I just try to find coins where there is enough detail to see what it is and get as clear legends as possible. Maybe one day I will try to get coins with near perfect strikes and VF+ to XF.

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 Posted 12/20/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
That's a very nice Septimus, and I appreciate the detailed analysis of my Aurelius denarius!
That's a great Constantine, JWH! My other nice Roman is a Constantine; would this be considered a VF, or better?

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 Posted 12/20/2011  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
It is. The only thing to bring this coin down a a very small notch is the weak strike at 3 o'clock on the reverse. Otherwise, it doesn't look like it has seen much wear and the original strike was very good. I'd say very fine.
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